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Ive always wondered about this as well. Surley the horse is a far superior animal to be dependant upon; speed to aid in hunting, ability to provide transport or hard labour, and ppl are able to eat its meat, milk and use nearly all parts of its body. Its milk is apparantly more nourishing than cow milk and lets face it, they look cooler than pigs or cows. My money is on this being a tradition, the origins of which no one remembers anymore. |
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The Mongolians used to use horses for milk and meat. Now the Arabs are getting into (e.g. flavored) Camel milk products. My guess is that a horse is a bit more frisky than a cow so it might not appreciate being milked. Also using horses for transport causes wide distribution of horseshit.
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As Sauron mentioned pigs weren't holy -- they were unclean, this is mentioned in Genesis and Leviticus ("And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be clovenfooted... he is unclean to you." Leviticus 11:7, KJV).
There were and are a number of theories on how his happened. The first is trichinosis (roundworm infestation) and other diseases. Another is that pigs are inherently unclean because they lack sweat glands and enjoy cooling mud. Another is that they eat refuse. There's some problems with these --first, trichinosis is killed by cooking, mud isn't inherently disease-causing and pigs will eat what you give them or what they can forage for. Certainly, the ancient Chinese, Polynesians, and northern Europeans had no taboos against pigs due to any of this. Personally, I prefer Marvin Harris' explanation that pigs are simply costly to raise in a desert-ifying environment. Wild pigs prefer forested areas and they need a lot of water because of their lack of sweat glands. Additionally, penned-up pigs compete with humans over grain and other fodder -- this gradually becomes transformed into a flat-out taboo due to costs and strife over water. See Marvin Harris' "Cows Pigs Wars and Witches (or via: amazon.co.uk)" (1974) Random House Press. Kind of a curious thing here is that the Gadarene swine that had evil spirits cast into them in Mark 5:10-20 ran off into the sea and died. The Gadarene Swine Tale is only one of a couple of instances of Jesus causing the deaths of anything (fig tree, anyone?). It could be argued that since the demons ASKED to be sent into the swine, this removes responsibility from Jesus but this just sounds like an excusing addition to the already fanciful tale. Other people see the story as one big metaphor for Jewish rebellion against the piggish Romans that they wanted to drive into the sea. Eh, it's all pretty weird to me. |
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The genesis reference is tangential: "unclean" animals. There are additional references below (added later)
I've read Mary Douglas' view before ...In short, Douglas' explanation is about how a group comes to rationalize their taboo, Harris' is about why they do it, then later rationalize it. I prefer Harris' as to why a thing comes about for lots of people in a geographic area, supported with archaeological evidence of changing habitat --> economic change and decline in suid presence in tells and other trash heaps. Faunal analysis/DNA shows the presence of "domesticated" suids early on in the Near East neolithic at about 9-10,000 years ago, and it declines with encroaching desertification at 6000-5000 years ago. Mary Douglas was a british structuralist and Marvin Harris was a cultural materialist, both are deceased, but I still prefer one above the other. Environmental change may bring about lots of things -- The rise of patriarchal religions where the environment is viewed as something to be conquered, the reduced role of females in the Levant/Middle East, migration and increasingly agonistic behaviors. Personally, I don't care much about "classical " archaeology following agriculture, I prefer prehistory -- before people started living on top of each other in little boxes. Cheers! Swine references in the Bible are here: http://www.bible-topics.com/Swine.html . |
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The pigs in the Bible story is explained in Hitchen's god is Not Great (or via: amazon.co.uk). Needless to say, all atheists should read H.
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Chapter Three of Hitchen's latest is "A Short Digression on the Pig; or, Why Heaven Hates Ham."
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