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Amaleq13 · 06-26-2007, 11:34 AM

Cross-posted with Toto. Nevermind.

None_x · 06-26-2007, 12:04 PM

We don't know how something happened, therefore GOD???

cognac · 06-26-2007, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by angelo atheist

We are in the 21st century, science has explained most of the laws of physics. Astronomy has taken us right back to a fraction of a second after the Big bang. We now know how the universe evolved to it's present state. And we know how life began and evolved, thanks to people like Charles Darwin.

Wow. Looks like all those scientists will be stepping down from their posts quite soon given we've answered all the questions. :Cheeky:

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What I would ask of Christians is, with all this evidence in front of you. And not a shred of evidence of any god needed to accomplish all this.
Why do you believe in God? And why?

It's possible that people choose to believe (whatever it is they believe) for reasons other than needing an explanation for the nature of things. IOW, people believe because it does something for them now, in the present, like provide context for relationships, or personal meaning or a structure for building a life. Or for ethics/morality reasons. Or for aesthetic reasons -- that is, a universe with a god being seems more interesting, or aesthetically pleasing, to them than does one without. Or because they believe despite science answering the "how" questions, a god concept still might answer the "why" questions -- or rather the questions of utlimate concern, as the theologian Paul Tillich would have said. Or something like that. There could be lots of reasons.

Gamera · 06-26-2007, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by angelo atheist

We are in the 21st century, science has explained most of the laws of physics. Astronomy has taken us right back to a fraction of a second after the Big bang. We now know how the universe evolved to it's present state. And we know how life began and evolved, thanks to people like Charles Darwin. What I would ask of Christians is, with all this evidence in front of you. And not a shred of evidence of any god needed to accomplish all this.
Why do you believe in God? And why?

The purpose of Christianity is not to "explain" things, but to free us from self involvement and make us loving, free authentic people. I don't think that's a scientific question.

The gospel is an existential event. It has nothing to do with the validity of emperical statements.

Your question is like asking, why read Hamlet when science can explain depression with reference to endorphins? You're talking apples and oranges.

Samhain · 06-26-2007, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Chili

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Originally Posted by angelo atheist

Yes, we know how in-organic matter became organic and started replicating itself.

Replicating itself excludes evolution.

Is this true? I believe there's always the possibility of mutation even with replication.

Vicious Love · 06-26-2007, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Chili

Replicating itself excludes evolution.

Whuh?

Odemus · 06-26-2007, 02:58 PM

Christian believe because faith in the absence of evidence is the highest virtue. Doubting Thomas used his brain and the critical faculties endowed by his creator and was practically admonished for it.

Gawen · 06-26-2007, 04:14 PM

Evolution and replication belongs in a different forum. Please take your comments there.

Nuwanda · 06-26-2007, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by angelo atheist

We are in the 21st century, science has explained most of the laws of physics. Astronomy has taken us right back to a fraction of a second after the Big bang. We now know how the universe evolved to it's present state. And we know how life began and evolved, thanks to people like Charles Darwin. What I would ask of Christians is, with all this evidence in front of you. And not a shred of evidence of any god needed to accomplish all this.
Why do you believe in God? And why?

"This is the tragedy of the modern mind which solved the riddle of the universe, but only to replace it by another riddle: the riddle of itself."

- Alexander Koyre -

seven8s · 06-26-2007, 06:20 PM

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But he still is necessary and every bang is still big.
those who see this take off their shoes --
the rest just sit around and pick berries.
(adapted from Ellizabeth Barret Browning).

Thus she is kindful
to the throws of the mindful
who labored in vain
against her name.

All the while sipping champagne.

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06-26-2007, 11:34 AM	#21
Amaleq13 Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Eagle River, Alaska Posts: 7,816	Cross-posted with Toto. Nevermind.

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None_x Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 71	We don't know how something happened, therefore GOD???

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Odemus Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Easy Street Posts: 736	Christian believe because faith in the absence of evidence is the highest virtue. Doubting Thomas used his brain and the critical faculties endowed by his creator and was practically admonished for it.

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