Steven Carr

Well, that made no sense.

It appears that Abe is saying that the historical Jesus existed, if Paul believed he existed, and there is evidence he believed he existed because Paul had a revelation telling him that his Lord had informed the cult how to conjure up his body in a ritual mean.

ApostateAbe

No big disagreement. Paul believed some strange things concerning the historical human Jesus. I think we are on the same page.

Steven Carr

My page is 1 Corinthians 11 which has no historical context, and features the body and blood of Jesus being given to the cult in a ritual meal - something which Bart Ehrman never explains in his book (he is going to explain it in his next book, how Jesus became God)

ApostateAbe

OK, then I think that is settled.

Jedi Mind Trick

I'm not an atheist, but isn't that all that atheism implies? Believe it or not I have run into atheists who don't agree with darwinian evolution and some are historical jesus types as well.

spin

He didn't read it. He made it up.

Toto

Ever try Google?

Pastoral interpolation in 1 Corinthians 10-11

Neil Godfrey discusses Winsome Munro’s Authority in Paul and Peter (or via: amazon.co.uk) on this topic. The topic is a little too complex for a sound bite, but you can read there an argument from a prominent scholar that this any many other passages have been interpolated. If you are familiar with this area, you know that conservative scholars refuse to allow for interpolations and have imposed an artificially high burden of proof on any claim of interpolations.

You have this habit of making things up based on some rules of logic in your own mind. But you need to check things against reality.

aa5874

Even in the NT, the Jesus cult started AFTER Jesus the Son of God was dead. An actual human Jesus played NO role in the development of the Jesus movement.

In Acts of the Apostles it was the Holy Ghost that INITIATED the preaching of the Jesus story on the Day of Pentecost.

In the Pauline letters, Salvation could only be accomplished by the Resurrection.

The Jesus movement REQUIRED BELIEF only.

Based on Acts of the Apostles, Even if Jesus did actually exist, did all the implausible miracles and was crucified there would still be NO Jesus movement if the disciples did NOT receive the Holy Ghost.

The Holy Ghost INITIATED the Jesus movement in Acts not a human Jesus.

Based on the Pauline letters, even if Jesus did live and was crucified there would be NO Jesus movement if Jesus did NOT resurrect.

The Resurrection INITIATED the Jesus movement in the Pauline writings.

The Jesus movement was INITIATED by BELIEF in stories about the Resurrection and the Holy Ghost.

aa5874

We get it!!! HJers only believe Jesus existed. Nothing more. They don't believe the Bible is historically accurate but they BELIEVE 1 verse in Galatians is history.

ApostateAbe

Yikes! I feared that someone would dig through the recesses of the literature and blow the dust off some book that agrees with the mythicist point that Paul did not write 1 Corinthians 11:23-26, thereby disproving my absolutist claim. Robert Price claimed that there are "some" who doubt that the passage is authentically Pauline, but he didn't say who and he said no more of it, despite his extraordinary skill at digging through those recesses, and of course Earl Doherty fully accepts that Paul wrote it and solves the problem with his characteristically-bizarre style of interpretation.

I should have known better. There will always be some scholar who disagrees with everyone else about anything. In this case, 1 Corinthians 11 includes an anti-feminist passage, and Winsome Munro was a feminist. Lucky for me, Winsome Munro is no longer alive, and I happened to make my claim using the present tense.