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The walking on water I take to be a miracle, not a reflection of the bodily nature of Jesus; after all, Matthew has Peter walk on water (for a bit), too. Jesus has the power to work such miracles in the gospels; but we already knew that. The disappearing into crowds I admit I am undecided on. Are these instances of slipping by his enemies supposed to be just clever maneuvering? Are they miracles? Are they docetism at work? But what do you make of Apollonius of Tyana, who, when a disciple objected to his being clapped in irons like a common criminal, simply pulled his leg from its bonds to show him he was not really being held captive? (Robert Price somewhere calls this docetism, too.) You would have to say that Apollonius is a construct (in his biography by Philostratus, at least), too, would you not? Ben. |
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Some of the earliest Christians, notably John, "had become", in Constantin Brunner's words, "such fervent Christians in their enthusiasm for the new knowledge that they had to demonstrate a commensurate hatred for the other Jews and their Judaism." (Brunner, Our Christ, p. 441).
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