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Asha'man · 06-07-2004, 09:20 AM

To the best of my knowledge, no entity known as Christ has ever:

1. offered me anything
2. asked me for anything

Therefore, I have never had an occasion to make a refusal, and your question is meaningless from the beginning.

Magus55 · 06-07-2004, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Warthur

It's kinda what "unconditional" means....

So a parent can't love a child unconditionally if they punish the child for doing something wrong?

CX · 06-07-2004, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Gospelog2

List me your top 3 reasons for refusing Christ.

Um, I'm getting in late in the game but a)What does it mean to "Refuse Christ" and b)To whom is this directed?

Lord Emsworth · 06-07-2004, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Magus55

So a parent can't love a child unconditionally if they punish the child for doing something wrong?

What would be the human equivalent for infinite and final punishment in hell?

CX · 06-07-2004, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Lord Emsworth

What would be the human equivalent for infinite and final punishment in hell?

American Idol.

King Rat · 06-07-2004, 10:02 AM

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What are the biggest excuses for refusing Christ?

1. God is Fiction

2. Faith is Delusion

3. Starr Jones

Son of Odin · 06-07-2004, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Tuvar Ane Ingolenen

I dont reject Christ, he's as good a fictional person as many others.

I never imagined atheists being so much fun !!

Magdlyn · 06-07-2004, 10:17 AM

Rather OT, but it's not my fault.

The king of Tyre was not a cherub. He was assigned a guardian cherub. Cherubim looked like winged sphinxes, part human, part lion, part bird of prey. Their wings were thought to hover over a person (or an ark, a throne, a temple), to protect it. Egyptians and other countries in the region all had them.

They weren't cute little fat babies. They were rather stern and terrible in their beauty. In the Ezekiel passage quoted earlier, this terrible cherub drove the king of Tyre down from the (allegorical) holy volcano for his wrongful pratices in trade.

Nowhere does it say this king was Satan.

Second point, for those giggling about the Song of Songs: this is not a story about YHWH's love for his people or Christ's love for his church. It is erotic because it is a poem about the heiros gamos, the holy sexual creative union between God and Goddess, an extremely popular concept in Levantine religion.

A parallel in Abrahamic religion is seen in how the Bible begins and ends in a garden (lovers in Eden in Genesis and in GJn, the garden where Mary Magdalene finds Jesus, mistaking him for the gardener), as in SoS the lovers make their bed in a garden.

The book just can't get away from the bride and bridegroom concept, no matter how many times it tries to place women as lower than a man's livestock, or call Asherah an abomination.

abe smith · 06-07-2004, 10:22 AM

My reason? All that stuff is a manmade bunch of bullshit, put in place for someone 's PROFIT. ... monetary profit.

abe smith · 06-07-2004, 10:25 AM

Eh, Lord Emsworth! How're things with the Empress of Blandings? And how are YEW, after all these decades?

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Asha'man Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: southeast Posts: 2,526	No Such Entity To the best of my knowledge, no entity known as Christ has ever: 1. offered me anything 2. asked me for anything Therefore, I have never had an occasion to make a refusal, and your question is meaningless from the beginning.

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06-07-2004, 10:17 AM	#238
Magdlyn Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 2,230	Rather OT, but it's not my fault. The king of Tyre was not a cherub. He was assigned a guardian cherub. Cherubim looked like winged sphinxes, part human, part lion, part bird of prey. Their wings were thought to hover over a person (or an ark, a throne, a temple), to protect it. Egyptians and other countries in the region all had them. They weren't cute little fat babies. They were rather stern and terrible in their beauty. In the Ezekiel passage quoted earlier, this terrible cherub drove the king of Tyre down from the (allegorical) holy volcano for his wrongful pratices in trade. Nowhere does it say this king was Satan. Second point, for those giggling about the Song of Songs: this is not a story about YHWH's love for his people or Christ's love for his church. It is erotic because it is a poem about the heiros gamos, the holy sexual creative union between God and Goddess, an extremely popular concept in Levantine religion. A parallel in Abrahamic religion is seen in how the Bible begins and ends in a garden (lovers in Eden in Genesis and in GJn, the garden where Mary Magdalene finds Jesus, mistaking him for the gardener), as in SoS the lovers make their bed in a garden. The book just can't get away from the bride and bridegroom concept, no matter how many times it tries to place women as lower than a man's livestock, or call Asherah an abomination.

06-07-2004, 10:22 AM	#239
abe smith Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: springfield, MA. USA Posts: 2,482	My reason? All that stuff is a manmade bunch of bullshit, put in place for someone 's PROFIT. ... monetary profit.

06-07-2004, 10:25 AM	#240
abe smith Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: springfield, MA. USA Posts: 2,482	Eh, Lord Emsworth! How're things with the Empress of Blandings? And how are YEW, after all these decades?

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