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Y.B · 12-27-2006, 06:08 PM

Damn Boro Nut, beat me to the punch.

Amaleq13 · 12-27-2006, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Gamera

No, he thought it was odd and calls his apostleship "untimely born" because it happened after Jesus' death, unlike that of the others.

You are reading this into the text despite the absence of any support for it. There is no suggestion that Paul considered his status as apostle "odd" because it was obtained from the risen Jesus. The text simply does not say what you want it to say.

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It's kind of odd to be untimely born.

It is odd for one to become an active member of a group that one previously persecuted. It is not odd at all to refer to this as somehow being late.

aa5874 · 12-27-2006, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Gamera

Peter apparently didn't "get" what Jesus preached when it came to gentiles (and there are many specific examples in the gospels whose point is that the apostles fail to grasp something Jesus is telling him, so much so that Jesus gets exasperated with them -- Luke 22:38, Matthew 6:11). James didn't get it either.

Paul did, and claims to have confronted Peter about it. There is nothing inherently implausible about this.

How did Paul 'get' it when he had no contact with Jesus Christ, isn't it more inherently plausible that Peter is more likely to 'get' it?

If we assume Jesus Christ was not supernatural, then only Peter would have had first-hand knowledge of the teachings of Jesus, not Paul. If we assume Jesus Christ was supernatural, he would be able to communicate to Peter, who was, according to the NT, the 'rock on which I will build my church', not Paul.

It should be apparent by now that the Pauline Epistles are the Gospels according to the 'fabricated' Paul.

Malachi151 · 01-01-2007, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by John Kesler

What about Galatians, which calls Peter/Cephas an apostle?

If you have in mind 1 Corinthians 15:5, which speaks of Jesus' appearance to "Cephas, then to the twelve," I think this simply means that Cephas/Peter saw Jesus before the rest of the apostles, not that Peter wasn't also an apostle. (See Luke 14:34 and Mark 16:7.)

An apostle and a disciple are two completely different things. In the Gospels Peter is called a disciple, but Paul only uses the word apostle.

Apostle means missionary, but disciple means someone who is a student of.

see: http://catholic-resources.org/Bible/Disciples.htm

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