Ray Moscow

Dave, the US was not founded on the Bible nor on Christianity. The Bible endorses other systems of government like theocracy or monarchy, not democracy or representative democracy.

Didn't you take civics in high school? This is very basic stuff.

Regarding the UK: your assertion is bollocks. Britain's greatest losses (e.g., in WW1 and WW2) in periods of much more religious devotion than now, when Britain is peaceful and prosperous.

Ray

DancesWithCoffeeCups

"And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerve in the brain of Jupiter. But may we hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this most venerated reformer of human errors."

-Thomas Jefferson, Letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823

Faid

Ladies and gentlemen, behold Dave Hawkins.

mung bean

If fundy YEC's ran every aspect of American society how long do you reckon it'd take for the US to decline?

Worldtraveller

Rounded to the nearest minute??

Cheers,
Lane

gregor

AFD

I see from your site you've heard of the Treaty of Tripoli from 1797. Offered by J. Adams. Passed by the Senate. Essentially etablishing friendship with (what is now) Libya. Provides in Article 11:

"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of [the Muslim faith]. . . "

I see you dismiss it, just like your arguments dismiss history, materiality, observable reality, & etc.

mung bean

You reckon it'd last that long? What an optimist.

Lucretius

Calilasseia just to say that while I was aware of the Accrington Pals
(I come from the same part of the UK as you in fact reading your brief descriptions of where you are in relation to Accrington etc . we may live very close to each other ) it always "gets me " emotionally when I read about them and I am not known as being a very emotional type at all .

My grandmother lost 4 brothers at the Somme (technically 3 half brothers and a "full" brother) and while they were not in the Accrington Pals my family's experience must have been so similar to those in Accrington.

Dave Hawkins

Fundy YECs founded America resulting in the most envied country on the planet. We have begun to see signs of decline thanks to significant non-fundy influence.

Pappy Jack

I've only just come across this gem. At last Dave ventures onto my turf. Before you start attributing the decline of Britain to its repudiation of 'Biblical principles' (whatever they may be), do some reading on the subject by historians who have actually studied the subject. You could do no better than start with Correlli Barnett's The Pride and Fall sequence: The Collapse of British Power (or via: amazon.co.uk); The Audit of War (or via: amazon.co.uk); The Lost Victory (or via: amazon.co.uk); and The Verdict of Peace (or via: amazon.co.uk). Maybe then you might be able to proffer an informed opinion as opposed to regurgitating ignorant fundamentalist pap.