one allegiance

Wow. Some of the worst sites I have ever seen. The first one is just bad. The second one just jumps to conclusions and the third is just pulling at threads. In the first one it is says that a prophesy NOT OF THE BIBLE hasn't been fulfilled. Ok...great...it isn't supposed to be. And in the others, I won't even mention the nit-picking, they are trying to claim that prophecies that haven't come to pass yet have failed. How do they know when the prophecy is supposed to be fulfilled? Which brings up a another point...most of the prophecies in the bible, especially concerning israel, haven't happened yet b/c they aren't supposed to happen yet.

Javaman

That's the great thing about prophecies. If they haven't come true, you can just say, "Not yet they haven't!" except for the ones that claim 'something will never happen again' -- and then it does.
The problem is that the OT prophecies relating to the messiah are specific and were not fulfilled by Yeshua, someone who did not sit on the throne of David and whos lineage would preclude him from ever doing it anyway (for more than one reason).

Jack the Bodiless

There are no "fulfilled prophecies" anywhere in the Bible. So how can they be a "pointer" to anything?

...At least, no Christian has yet succeeded in finding an unequivocal example of a fulfilled prophecy: something specific, definitely made in advance, and verifiably fulfilled. To me, that's just as damning as all the failed prophecies. It would be a reasonable assumption that the "prophets" would get something clearly correct, even by chance alone. So what are we to infer from a 0% success rate?

Is the Bible supernaturally inaccurate?

Katastrophikus

Well, technically, if they haven't come true then they aren't prophecies, that would just make them sentences.

If they haven't come to pass, we can safely ignore them.

We can also assume that if the prophecies were clear and not open to manipulation and interpretation, there would be some consensus about what they were referring to. This, obviously, is not the case.

Teach the contraversy, I say.

voodoomage

Actually, no. The Bible's success rate is indicative of the types of prophecies that it makes. If I claim myself to be a prophet of god and go around making predictions about sports teams and natural phenomena, I'm bound to get something right eventually, but incredibly unlikely, specific prophecies, or prophecies referencing supernatural events are MUCH more unlikely to occur, and in the case of supernatural events won't occur at all.

Derec

You mean truthiness of the Bible?

Johnny Skeptic

Please give us an example of a fulfilled prophecy.

Mythra

Have you taken a good look at many of the "fulfilled" prophecies cited in the NT? Matthew in particular?

Most are strained, if not downright deceptive.

It's my conviction that the gospel writers had the Septuagint in their hands as they inserted details into the gospel story that would fit - thereby insuring "prophecy" fulfilled.

A much simpler and more plausible explanation than personal dictation by the creator of the universe.

Mythra

Then, we come to the prophecies that are proven false.

Tyre.

He shall be called Emmanuel.

Or, this one:

For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father's glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what he has done. I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom."

Of course, this passage is conveniently followed up by the Transfiguration.

Slippery apologetics began before we even had the final edit of the gospel stories.

Helpmabob

Sure there are. Therefore my people will know my name;therefore in that day they will know that it is I who foretold it. Yes, it is I." [Isaiah 52:6]His people worldwide today know His name.

If I may indulge in a little prophecy of my own. You’re looking for proof – it is something you will never have in this life, unless you turn to God.

Such as? Just because something hasn’t happened yet, doesn’t mean it never will.

I'll try: Christ prophesied that He would be raised three days after His death. Jesus answered them, "Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days." [John 2:19]

Truthiness is a better word, yes.