Lógos Sokratikós

I didn't know that about Vat.II. I thought it was canonical. I had heard some time ago that it wasn't a theological council, but nothing that it wasn't binding. So what was all the fuss about Lefevre? I thought he was obligated to celebrate Mass in vernacular. So why did they compel him?

Lógos Sokratikós

Oh shoot! You guys got me cooperating with general derailment!

NoGreaterLove

Having the Atheist view of life would be quite depresssing to me. Especially during the hardtimes in life. I'm am just greatful that there is a God in heaven and that when I die I will be reunited with Him and my loved ones who have passed in Christ. Suffering is just a part of life.

Thomas II

Oh,absolutely not.
The shower happened, and everything else as I said. Don't even doubt that.
The only explanation I can think that makes any sense ,at least to me, is that she was in bed and simply began to die, and as her mind was failing and literally "going", she perceived like she was "going", like when one is about to faint and one feels like one is just "going...down..." So that must have been her sensation and she sort of sent a last goodbye,almost like a flare, and for some strange reason her thought wave reached my mind, since I was relaxed and in a shower, not really thinking about anything in particular, and maybe more receptive...

The part about her being welcomed by some people on a serene lawn bathed by the afternoon sun is the part I can not figure out, and really could not tell if it was imaginary or not...

There is something else I had forgotten...Upon seeing the whole scene I remember softly crying in the shower...like approving of her parting, almost like a "goodbye and go into the light" type of thing...
But remember that I had not been told yet that she had died...so intuitively
I must have sensed it.

Omegasevx

What a lovely story. What you don't mention, strangely, is that those who don't "pass in Christ" go to Hell....to suffer forever.

See Christian belief allows for suffering during life and after death, and that makes it inferior to atheism. Did you know that?

My father died of lung cancer this year at 55, and I'm the oddball atheist in the family. You know what? I'm doing better than everyone else because they can't figure out why God gave him cancer, didnt help him beat cancer, didnt let him live long enough to see his youngest son graduate from high school, didnt answer any prayers, and lots of other things. They think every dream they have is him trying to contact him from beyond the grave. It's sad and a little pathetic.

And worst of all, their faith and prayers and church friends can offer them nothing to cope with the change. Death of an immediate family member is about change, even more than grief.

Lógos Sokratikós, I'm very sorry to hear of your loss... I can only assure you that things will get easier. Atheism is what it is, for good or ill in your life. My refusal to cling to myths and unevidenced magics have helped me find peace and finality with my loss, I hope in time it will do the same for you. Good luck to you.

Verus

Atheism can't give you a personal conscience; it can only give you a collective conscience. In an atheistic view, you follow the dictates of culture.

Omegasevx

How are you defining personal conscience? Are you serious with that assertion? Can you provide any evidence to support it?

As a human being you follow the dictates of culture. Christians just choose to cling to an ancient culture, that's all.

Albert Cipriani

The Roman Catholic hierarchy compelled Lefevre because they are corrupt and mostly apostates. Nothing new there, the same hierarchy 500 years ago excommunicated another saint, Joan of Arc.

What adds insult to the injury is that the actual VCII documents explicitly state that Latin shall be retained in the Mass along with Gregorian Chant. So, as absurdly enough, the officially correct Catholics following their local bishops in celebrating a fully vernacular Mass are the ones who are flagrantly violating the dictates of the VCII council. Yet they have the gall to pretend it is us Traditionalists that are the disobedient outlaws. Go figure. – Albert Cipriani the Traditional Catholic

Lógos Sokratikós

You lucky son. Even if your faith wasn't true, you lucky, lucky son.

Lógos Sokratikós

Let's face it: There is no hope in atheism.

Remember the song? "All we do, crumbles to the ground though we refuse to see. Dust in the wind- all we are is dust in the wind!" True and beautiful. Whoever wrote it got to an age of maturity. Wisdom doesn't come from serendipity.

Whatever we do, nothing will remain. Whoever we save will surely die. An atheist fights to leave something in the world. A name, children. They will all die. They will all be forgotten.

The pyramids remain. But they are existing on borrowed time, as the Spanish-language adage goes. When the sun spends its energy and vomits its last in pangs of death towards white-dwarf-ness, much before that, all humans have made, no matter how imposing and massive, will surely be gone, much before the Universe goes kaput.

And when the universe goes kaput, pagans' Nature, humanists' Humanity, everything the once vaingloried petty species Homo Sapiens ever cherished will be gone and meaingless in it's pathetic dramas they held so important. The stupid simians.

Why fight? Why care? In the end it means nothing in the atheists world. What is suffering? Secretions of minute amounts of chemicals into the blood, activation of certain brain centers, that's all. If someone ever had any pain, any so called "tragedy", so what?

In the end, nothing really matters. In Naturalismland, a human is but a bag of chemicals born to die, whose death means nothing to the dead universe at large.

No hope in atheism.