Visionary7

Wisdom, she was with me in the beginning.

Wisdom, honor her and she will exalt you.

The coin you presented to me would have heads on both faces, leaving it obtruse.

We ponder God's nonexistence because he does not exist?

Do you see?

If God did not exist, we not be talking about God today.

Just like Darwin had authored evolution, If Darwin did not author evolution, it would not exist today.

DinoStoned

Well, I can. It's simply because you've been taught to seek support and comfort from your God. That's why you do so. Nothing mysterious about it, it's just human nature.


Funny thing is, most of us here think the exact opposite.

Translation: I cannot really explain why I believe in God, and why you should do so too, but believe me anyway.

Everytime we make an argument, you do not refute it, but run away and hide behind your fortress of logical fallacies. You might think that God is beyond logical discussion, but logical discussion is the only way you will be able to make the people here see things from your point of view.

And...

Wrong. The naturalist Alfred Wallace, a contemporary of Darwin, was slowly but surely coming upon the theory of natural selection. It's just that Darwin was a tad faster.

Naruto

If some goat herders did not author the idea of "God", it would not exist today.

Visionary7

Heb 1

To which did to the angels did God every say
Today, I have become your Father.
and he will be my son.

or again, I will be his Father,
and he will be my son.

:notworthy

Visionary7

Why are you trying slam me with with the infidel intelligence....?
The wisdom of the wise,
the intelligence of the intelligence, I will frustrate.

You try to prove me wrong because you do know God..

ref?
They hated me without reason <Jesus


I refute your argument on this basis of this, It does not matter

The point is if Christ did not rise the third day, I would not talking about him today....

Some here try to trap what I say, by unspiritual worldly wisdom...

That's why we don't agree...

Agnostic Theist

Interesting attempt at a refutation...

How about the square circle and other such paradoxes? We have a concept of them as that which cannot exist, even in the mind (if any of you conceive a square circle, let me know how!). The basis of discussion, concerning these paradoxes, is...well, I don't know. Perhaps it is an obsession to succeed in everything? Maybe a delusion that there can be a square circle/God/2D cube that we keep discussing it all ad nauseum as if doing so could somehow bring these things into the confinements of logic. Honestly, though, I don't know why we discuss God, or other such impossibilities.

BTW, when I define God as an impossibility, I am of course referring to the God we discuss, since God is, by design, infinite, there is no way we can comprehend Him, so any discussed version of God, if you will, is a false representation, bound by base logic and leading to impossibilities of nausic proportion.

Anyway, let's just simplify it all. In direct answer to your question,

We discuss the nonexistence of God because God cannot exist, just as we discuss the nonexistence of the square circle because that too cannot exist.

DinoStoned

Slam you with infidel intelligence? Why, thanks for saying that I have enough intelligence to try and slam people with it. I always thought I didn't have enough brains to swat a fly with, let alone slam others...


Translation: If I try to prove you wrong, I know there is a God. If I don't try to, I am supporting your stand that there is a God.

Nice two-pronged attack there. Let's see if I can break one of the prongs.
I'm not actually trying to prove that God doesn't exist, but I'm arguing that your 'arguments' cannot be used to prove the existence of God. I don't care whether a God exists or not, but either way, your way of proving his existence, is, in my opinion, wrong.

So defend your argument, not the existence of God. Explain exactly WHY God should exist if we talk about him. Then explain WHY leprechauns do not exist even if we talk about them, or WHY Allah does not exist if even if we talk about him.

On the basis of "They hated me without reason?" So you're saying that we hate you without reason? That we're arguing out of spite? You don't know who I really am and what I am thinking; the Internet assures that.
I'm arguing because butting skulls against your divinely-toughened head is a pretty new experience for me.
So there.

Slippery one, aren't you. In essence, you are declaring that we can never out-talk you, since we as infidels can only use 'unspiritual worldly wisdom', while your world-view is based on 'spiritual divine wisdom'.

This won't go anywhere, since I am equally convinced that 'spiritual divine wisdom' does not trump 'unspiritual worldly wisdom', especially where this argument is concerned.

Agnostic Theist

This whole 'infidel' crap has confused me. Is this guy playing off ad hominems or something?

In any case, I'm not an infidel and I never will be damnit! They're all pompous, none of them have got any balls! No, sorry, that's the British

Anyway, how can you claim that these infidels try to refute God because they know God when one cannot know God? Prove we know God! You can't, because we cannot know Him!

DinoStoned

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DinoStoned

We're at the Internet Infidels Discussion Forums. It'd be natural for him to assume that everyone here is either a infidel or sympathetic to them... In his case, infidel means those people who are 'against' his God, which include more than half the population on this planet.

Oh, and do you consider yourself English or British?

You mean 'know' God in the Biblical sense?