Sensei Meela

Well, the Gospels depict Jesus appointing Peter the head of the Church -- if memory serves me, that would be the Jerusalem Church. How "definitive" that is depends upon the historical reliability of the Gospel accounts, but clearly the Jerusalem Chruch was not the only game in town, so to speak. (Gnostics and Ebionites, for example, were other contemporaries outside the "mainstream" IIRC)
Well, again, there was no "the original." Probably the closest you would get is the Jerusalem Chruch. I'm sure somebody here could enlighten us as to their canon.
It's a bit more complicated than that but, essentially, yes. The Catholics draw on the Gospel tradition in their claims to authority.

rlogan

Hi Patcher. I think this piece on the development of canon will help:

http://www.infidels.org/library/mode...r/NTcanon.html

Carrier summarizes Metzger's work for the most part. Luther's reformation is basically a "sanitizing" of the canon on the basis of a Pauline priority.

CJD

I alluded to this in my first post: it was the Palestinian Christians who did not include the so-called deutero-canonical books in their collection. The Reformers, knowing this, chose to side with them. Note too that some folks are now saying that what has been called in this thread 'Jerome's view' is not as rare a position as once thought. Some are even saying that 'Jerome's view' was that of the Alexandrians. I don't know if this revisionistic or not, as I've not studied the pertinent data.

CJD

Patcher

Oh, this is GREAT. Thank you. This is what I've been looking for! :wave:

Patcher

So there were even more "canonizations" of the bible? It's amazing what you don't know when you don't question things.


I had no idea. For so long in my mind this stuff just "magically" and immediately came about by god's hand through his people as he inspired them.

Wow, that's interesting! They teach SUCH different doctrines than protestants accept!

Chris Weimer

They weren't removed until a later revision, I believe the 1762 revision? I'm not positive which one, but all the apocrypha were present in the originals several KJV printings.

Jackalope

I got indoctrinated by the Catholic side of the family, so I actually read the Apocrypha (which got me in trouble during Confirmation class, but that's another story). My mother, a Baptist, knew the story behind Chanukah, but didn't know it was in the Bible until I pulled out my catholic version and showed her Maccabees. This came up while I was explaining why Mel "the fanatic" Gibson wants to make a Judas Macabeus movie next. I started to tell the story, and she interrupted, "But that's Chanukah! Why is a Catholic making a movie about that?" It never occurred to her to question why such a very important jewish festival wasn't in the Old Testament or some section of the Bible somewhere.