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09-06-2007, 01:57 AM | #101 |
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I'm trying to locate the papers of Giorgio Levi della Vida. I did get a message back from the university of Rome, and am asking around.
When I can next go to CUL I will look again at the Mingana catalogue and see what the other manuscript is and contains, and see about obtaining a copy of the second text which Cumont was told about. |
09-06-2007, 07:11 AM | #102 |
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According to this site (from The Coptic Encyclopedia, vol. 1, 1991 ), the page on which the second quote appears is in Abuū al-Majd's Commentary on the Creed:
"Furthermore, the Mingana Syriac 481 (Western garshūnī, A.D. 1689, fols. 221v-25v) appears to contain a fragment of this commentary (d. cols. 586 and 889 of the Mingana catalog, Vol. 1)." "At the article "he was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary," Abū al-Majdalūs' Commentary cites several messianic witnesses from among pagan philosophers: the Kitāb al-Asrār attributed to Plato (cf. Graf, Vol. 1, p. 486, sec. 3); the Kitāb al-'Ulūm al-'Ulwiyyah and the Letter to Alexander attributed to Aristotle (cf. Graf, Vol. 1, p. 485, sec. 4); the 'Ilm al-Tanjīm attributed to the philosopher Augustus (cf. Graf, Vol. I, pp. 485, sec. 3, and 486, sec. 4); and a text attributed to a certain Yūniyūn or Yūthiyūn, depending upon the manuscripts, as yet unidentified." "Abū al-Majd's Commentary was published in 1940 by Constantine Bacha, in Volume 7 of Al-Risālah al-Mukhallisiiyyah in several issues, and reedited the same year in a small fascicule of thirty-five pages. " |
09-06-2007, 09:21 AM | #103 |
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My stab at the scribbles:
.... que ?eusement ....... sous figures dans les representations mithraiques du banquet et qu.. (qu'on?) etablis . sans un(e?) relation mystique entre les stoicheia tou kos- mou et le ban-quet sa cre' (e-accent aigu) (For what it's worth ) So maybe something indicates a relation between elemenst of the cosmos (stoicheia=elements? I'm going by the French here) and the banquet of the creed??? BTW (I've lost track if this has been mentioned in the thread, you notice the quote similar to the one from the OP that the author provides from fo. 225 b, lines 17-20: "And Zarathustra the mage says, in the Book of the Elements of the World, to his disciples: He who eats my flesh and drinks of my blood lives in me and I live in him." Gerard Stafleu |
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Porphyry tells us of two series of books by two authors
concerning the history of Mithra. Taken from here Quote:
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Going back to my effort and combining with Gerard's...
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We're not getting any closer to Zoroastrianism with any of this, still less to Mithras; at the moment we're still in Arabic-composed texts of the Middle Ages. All the best, Roger Pearse |
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The commentary with the pagan quotes which is probably found in Mingana 481 is that of Abu al-Majdalus The Commentary published in 1940 is that of Abu al-Majd. IIUC the commentary of al-Majdalus has not been published. Andrew Criddle |
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It is a bit confusing, that article, isn't it? I had read this bit the other way around. The publication was in Arabic so doesn't take us further forward anyway.
I need someone who can read Christian Arabic. Perhaps we need some copts. In fact I think I know someone interested in Syriac who might know some, having converted to the Coptic orthodox church. |
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I sent off a request for the text of the inscription to the Boston Athenaeum, but it doesn't appear as if i'm going to get a response. |
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