Sauron

Apparently you haven't met many Baptists. The worst hell-raisers in the American South are Baptists - now that they've gotten over lynching and burning out black folks, that is.

And the evangelicals are at the forefront of the most violent responses to family planning clinics, gay rights movements (beating gays in the name of God), and have been major supporters of violent aspects of US foreign policy - as well as violent and oppressive Israeli policy in the West Bank.

In your pointless crusade to demonize the RCC, you're handwaving past a bunch of inconvenient facts. Yawn. So predictable - and so easy to refute. :devil:



nota bene: I think I found Clouseau's achilles heel: a British evangelical organization that is espousing violent reactions to the British govt.

NB2: it just keeps coming: A Baptist theologian issues a call for evangelical non-violence. A totally unnecessary act on his part, if -- as Clouseau is trying to peddle -- evangelicals (and Baptists) are already non-violent.

NB3 - and lets' not forget the evangelical president of Guatemala, Efrain Rios Montt, who was - of course - a murdering butcher and a wanted criminal.

funinspace

I'd say the only Protestant sects that are peaceful currently are Quakers, Mennonites, and some of the liberal Protestant chains. It's rather odd that of the funerals announced periodically on the local news for killed US soldiers are about 2/3 in conservative/evangelical churches. Why is it that a majority of our soldiers appear to be conservative/evangelical Christians, who get to read about loving ones enemies; not offering resistance to one who is evil; turning the other cheek; go the extra mile; hand them your cloak; do not return evil for evil; seek peace and follow after it; blessing for suffering because of righteousness…just pretty vacuous phrases for the wall or Fridge??? There is no draft. No govt. is telling these Christians to pick up M-16's, drive tanks, or fly F-15's.

Some how I don't think John Wesley would be that impressed with today's evangelicals. I don' think he'd like videos mixing crosses, US Flags, and F-15's all wrapped up in a warped patriotic slurry.
http://wesley.nnu.edu/wesleyan_theol...01-05/02-8.htm
Wesley's efforts in behalf of social righteousness led him to attack slavery, to declare that war was "rebellion against humanity and God," (39)

39. John Wesley Bready, England Before and After Wesley (London: Hoddex and Stoughton, I.td. n. d,), p. 229.

Clouseau

What is Surrey Man worrying about him for? Have you been mugged by evangelicals in Esher, Ray? And what about those terrifying Woking Waldensians? Are the Banstead Baptists threatening you with tarring and feathering for not getting dunked? Do Purley Pentecostals plunder your goods as a lesson to wave your arms about and mutter?

Yes? See http://www.surrey.police.uk/contactus.asp

Sauron

What does living in Surrey have to do with it?

1. You made a claim about evangelicals and their alleged pacifism - that is a claim that wasn't limited in geography.

2. Ray shot your claim down with a counterexample. As did I, and several others.

Ergo, whether George Bush impacts Ray in Surrey has nothing to do with whether or not your claims are a pile of bullshit - which they are.

funinspace

The US has maybe 20-30 million active self-proclaimed evangelicals. How many does the UK have?

judge

Hi Clouseau. As I pointed out there are at least three NT canons.

1. The Ethiopic.

2. That used by the Church of the East.

3.That used by protestants and Catholics.

So despite you claims again there is no such thing as the NT canon.

As the reformers chose to reform the RCC, they kept their NT canon and implied quite clearly it was the correct one.

Can you explain why #3 is the correct one and not #1 or #2?

Clouseau

Hello. I suggest you delete your post, as it is off topic. But thank you for reminding the other contributors of what they should be concentrating their minds on instead of the frivolous nonsense they are throwing around. Very timely.

Sauron

Ah. First judge's post is off-topic.

Then you say that judge's post is a "reminder of what the other posters should concentrate on," which would make judge's post on-topic, after all.

Care to make up your mind, Clouseau?

Oh, and as for the other posters -- they're concentrating on your contradictions. Not surprising that you consider the flaws in your argument to be "off topic".

judge

Not only that, but Clouseau began this thread by quoting me..in this thread

Clouseau

So we are left to guess as to why you brought up that topic in this thread, while not addressing the topic of this thread. Some very anomalous behaviour here, with people seemingly unable to read properly!