JoeWallack

JW:
There's no need to make it this complicated AA by using secondary comparisons. Everyone agrees that there is a direct relationship between the extent of belief in HJ and Creationism.



Joseph

ErrancyWiki

sotto voce

I say, that's so very true. People like Dawkins and Hitchens are (or were) convinced HJers, and also convinced YECers. At least, the only interpretation of early Genesis that they could ever imagine was the fundie one. Which convinced everyone that they were HJers, too.

Well noted, Joe.

ApostateAbe

Thanks for letting me know. I was actually beginning to think Toto was the only one who thought that point was relevant! See the last paragraph of the OP.

yalla

There is a far greater causation and correlation between creationism, climate change denialism, young earth creationism, inspired literalist biblical belief, religious fundamentalism and christianity in general, all of which are faith based, than there is between any of the apologist inspired accusations of the former with mythicism
It is simple self projection, seeing self in a mirror, for christian apologists, a desperate attempt to divert attention from their own lack of logic and evidence and science to make the absurd claims that are in the OP.

Sad.

ApostateAbe

Christian apologists? Sorry, who are the Christian apologists?

ApostateAbe

So the comparison is inspired by Christian apologists. That is unexpected. I would expect that they would be insulted by the comparison, since they are creationists and they think mythicists are idiots, but maybe they wouldnt be as insulted by the comparison as mythicists tend to be?

sotto voce

Christians are normally taken as those who believe that the christ or messiah was Jesus of Nazareth. Christians do not give a monkey's cuss what is believed about the method of creation. One can believe in a creation literally over six days, if one really insists, and makes absolutely nothing of it. But the gospel of justification by faith, that leads to salvation, is the only interface of Christians with others, unless there is need for apologia due to either enquiry or misrepresentation. Usually, the latter.

Ergo, those who are 'up front' about creation are antichrist.

For the reasons given earlier. Do get better spectacles.

Toto

Christian apologists (e.g., some well known posters on this board) invented the comparison between mythicism and creationism.

None of them thought that mythicists were idiots in general, but they saw mythicism as a hindrance to their ability to recruit innocents into their religion. Some of them might actually have been creationists of some stripe.

They were just using a rhetorical strategy to get non-believers to argue with each other. It seems to have worked.