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Old 10-07-2010, 03:39 AM   #11
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Hi Stephan,

I thank you for your long answer.

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It may be difficult for some readers to believe that a real historical figure like our stranger could be reshaped and developed in so many different ways. How is it, they might ask, that modern scholarship has failed to recognize the underlying commonality between all these different Catholic Church Fathers rooted in Lucian's Peregrinus? The reality is however that the idea that there was a relationship between this text and the writings of Ignatius, Polycarp and other of figures in the earliest Christianity was actually a hot topic of debate for many generations in Patristic scholarship. The idea that Lucian might have been a real witness to a towering figure in the history of the Church was never disproved, it just became less fashionable in academic circles to talk about such matters.
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"..It may be difficult for some readers to believe that a real historical figure like our stranger could be reshaped and developed in so many different ways..."

I assure you that this is not my case also! ... Not only I have no difficulty in believing the one, but I also add that they are many the figures truly historic "reshaped and developed" by the 'holy' counterfeiter fathers that, 19 centuries ago circa, gave life to a religious cult among the most disconcerting among those that history has recorded! ...

I asked you the question for mere curiosity, because I managed to know practically everything there is to know about the whole story, and also why Luciano was forced to hide his character behind the historical figure of the stoic philosopher Peregrinus

Unfortunately this is one of those issues 'key' of my researches, which must remain unpublished for the moment, as they will have to appear in the book that, for about 6 years (sic), I much hardly go composing, as this cost to me a hard work of research and study, now made more difficult by the fact that the 'holy' purpled authority of the Vatican have put their 'claws' on Google and on many other aspects of the network (see Wikipedia). In practice, through some faithful 'pasdaran', the satanic purpled 'foxes' can monitor every minute of my sessions on the Internet, trying to figure out what sites I get my data!

Many of the entry (or links) to the various sites that once appeared in the Google's pages, are now 'desaparecidos', although these sites are still 'alive and well'!... In their place have appeared a myriad of links to religious sites (shrines, monasteries, parishes, churches, bishoprics, religious seminars, etc.).. The entry to my forum, now semi-abandoned, it is now missing from some years in the pages of Google, while it remains in the pages of Yhaoo!.

A forum, where a thread of mine had reached over 110,000 contacts (and sorry if it is little ...), have been obscured. In short, the 'eggheads' the Vatican are trying to do around me 'scorched earth' ...

Fortunately, ever since I started my researches and my studies (more than 14 years ago) I almost always saved pages of interest that, time to time, I visited. All this material is currently stored in various hard disk 'off-line'. I recently purchased a new hard disk from 500 GB in order to gather there all of the spread material ...

"..How is it, they might ask, that modern scholarship has failed to recognize the underlying commonality between all these different Catholic Church Fathers rooted in Lucian's Peregrinus?.."

If I had had an academic background, almost certainly I would not have reached the point where I arrived, ie rebuild (unless of small details which, however, not absolutly affect my reconstruction) the true origins of catholic-christianity and the true historical profiles of the characters involved in the evangelic story, beginning with Jesus of Nazareth, his mother and, gradually, all the other characters.

In fact, that it is so it is well demonstrated by the fact that although the historical research, on rationale and scientific basis, date now from some centuries and that in this arduous task many scholars have ventured and far more capable than me also, nobody, however, have been able, until today, to write the 'end' word to this research! ... Only an 'out-sider' like me, who absolutely does not follow the academic rules and jumps 'di palo in frasca' in the research (ie passes quickly from one topic to another), have been able to get to the truth kept jealously by the 'holy' forger fathers of all time!

Now that I'm realizing that many aspects of this historical truth, although more than 19 centuries have passed, they are so 'handy', I am really amazed that all the scholars, even those most able, have not been able, till today, to grasp the essence by such aspects! ... It is sign, this, that there has been often too superficiality in the consider and evaluate these issues ....

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PS: a little divagation: the name 'Johnny', in english, sounds like 'Littlejohn'?...

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So you think Christians in fourth century forged a text developed in part from the letters of Ignatius attesting - among other sordid details - that one of their Church Fathers spent a period of his life masturbating in public?
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Did Peregrinus Really 'Masturbate in Public' in Alexandria to Show 'Indifference'? or Did Peregrinus Really 'Masturbate in Public' in Alexandria to Show 'Another undisputable Christian Priority Date for the existence of that "Great Nation of Christians" before the Great Peace of Bullneck, Pontifex Maximus, the Thirteenth Apostle, and "Bishop of Bishops"?

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At the very least I guess it gives 'beating the bishop' a whole context.
Read Eusebius's "Life of the Thrice Blessed Bullneck" for a whole new context on the term "beating the [pagan] priests".
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Read Eusebius's "Life of the Thrice Blessed Bullneck" for a whole new context on the term "beating the [pagan] priests".
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Sorry....what is a 'Bullneck'?....(a neck of bull?)


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Read Eusebius's "Life of the Thrice Blessed Bullneck" for a whole new context on the term "beating the [pagan] priests".
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Sorry....what is a 'Bullneck'?....(a neck of bull?)

It was the nickname the common people gave to Constantine on account of his thick neck. The source is the history of Aurelius Victor. For a citation see From Constantine to Julian: Pagan and Byzantine views : a source history By Samuel N. C. Lieu, Dominic Montserrat. And for the pictorial view have a look at some coins, art, murals or mosaics:

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Sorry....what is a 'Bullneck'?....(a neck of bull?)

It was the nickname the common people gave to Constantine on account of his thick neck. The source is the history of Aurelius Victor. For a citation see From Constantine to Julian: Pagan and Byzantine views : a source history By Samuel N. C. Lieu, Dominic Montserrat. And for the pictorial view have a look at some coins, art, murals or mosaics:


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Thank you!

I had thought of another reference type, and perhaps it is possible that, at least in the mind of the 'fox' Eusebius, it there was really ...


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Besides, is it really likely that someone could just keep masturbating in public to prove that he was 'indifferent'? What's next? Two people engaged in sexual acts to display 'indifference'? This seems so utterly implausible. I just wonder whether the original terminology will allow for the sense of 'flagellation' of his sexual organs.
Is a course in asceticism not equal to spritual fornication? and does forced aceticism not remove our integrity/shame?

Next? Bald beavers?
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This site is so bizarre. You can find someone who will actually argue that a fourth century conspiracy manufactured Lucian's account of a compulsively masturbating Church Father and then this guy can turn around and accuse people of being 'unreasonable' with the evidence for a historical Jesus ...

It ends up being very distracting. What was it I was asking again? Oh yeah. Does ἀναφλάων in Peregrinus 17 have to be translated 'masturbate'?
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This site is so bizarre. You can find someone who will actually argue that a fourth century conspiracy manufactured Lucian's account ...
That's what happens when you believe in free speech and let anyone post.
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This site is so bizarre. You can find someone who will actually argue that a fourth century conspiracy manufactured Lucian's account ...
That's what happens when you believe in free speech and let anyone post.
It's also what happens when you don't use ignore lists!
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