Tom Sawyer

So, you're saying that the Bible doesn't say that Jesus was hanged from a tree? Are you saying that Jewish tradition at the time didn't consider hanging someone from a tree as a way of having his soul cursed by God - such as what someone might do to a man they considered a false prophet or the like in order to warn others off from considering similar paths?

sotto voce

It may do.

Why would that be Jewish tradition at that time?

Tom Sawyer

I assume you're looking for a reason more profound than because Deutoronomy tells them to do this for this reason. :huh:

sotto voce

The Torah? That's a strange way to describe 'Jewish tradition at that time'.

So did the Jews hang Jesus from a tree to get him cursed?

Tom Sawyer

Well, the Temple Scrolls were the priestly doctrine at that time and the general halakhah from about the 2nd Century BC to the fall of the temple, so I'd say it's safe to say that's the basis they used to decide how to do things and the rules of Deutoronomy, including that particular one, were prominent parts of those.

If the Jews killed Jesus for blasphemy, that is how they'd do it. If the Romans killed him, they'd likely use crucifixion. The confusing and contradictory part of the Bible is that both methods of death were mentioned as how he died.

sotto voce

There was no 'priestly doctrine'. Right-wing notions are inappropriate.



Would they? Surely doing that might have helped to substantiate the view that Jesus was the Lamb of God, who takes away the sins of the world.

Is that actually the case?

Tom Sawyer

Yes there was. Priests have doctrines. Jewish priests aren't different than other priests on that point.

Of course it's not actually the case. Jesus is a fictional character who didn't actually die, so nobody actually killed him by any method.

The storyline about Jesus, however, has two separate and contradictory plot points regarding his death. It's like as if you had Obi Won get killed by Darth Vader and then he shows up a couple of scenes later and gets shot by a Stormtrooper. It's poor writing.

Similarly in the Bible, you have Jesus being killed by the Romans in the Roman fashion of the time and then a couple of scenes later he's killed by the Jews in the Jewish fashion of the time. It's poor writing.

sotto voce

That's complete fallacy, and possible political propaganda on the part of some agency, but is off the point.

Is it actually the case that the Bible mentions two methods of execution?

Chili

. . . and that was the mind of Joseph and he was real, just an upright Jew who was said to be a wily carpenter with 12 shepherds on the go, in a book where snakes do talk and we should read between the lines and see the allegory from beginning to end or put it down . . . lest we become the pharisee who wants to change the world around him instead of just his own view of that same world where he lives. Note that we look with our eyes but see with our mind.

So if they were bosom buddies in one mind who do you think Mary was, and Pilate and the pharisees and every character in the Gospel that Paul witnessed in his own mind when it happened to him?

. . . and we here argue about a historical Jesus now for 2000 years and every generations anew has their own two bits to say.

Sheshbazzar

Actually the Hebrew word עֵץ translated as 'tree' simply refers to WOOD in any of its forms and is thus variously translated in its 328 usages within the received Hebrew Text as tree 162 times, wood 107 times, timber 23 times, stick 14, gallows 8, staff 4, stock 4, carpenter + 02796 2, branches 1, helve 1, planks 1, stalks 1
(search courtesy of The Blue Letter Bible)

Point being that to meet the Hebrew Scriptural qualifications one need only to be hung upon WOOD of any form (Deut 21:22-23)
Thus whatever form or shape that WOOD took that one was hung upon, the curse was applicable.
From the Hebrew idiom and Scriptural perspective the one was effectively the equivalent of the other.





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