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Old 04-27-2004, 06:13 AM   #41
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The moon is not a light. It is a rock sitting in the sunlight. Are you suggesting that the ancient desert dwellers were unable to convey such a complex thought? Which word were they missing, rock or sunlight?
So, how would you have worded it then, if you were the Genesis author?
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Divine fiat? Where does it say "divine fiat?" Lucky for me, we live in the computer age. Ever own or operate one of those software programs that has a hit the one button and you get either the computer playing itself or some instructional? According to you, it all happened by chance. According to me, no chance, but design. So what you call divine fiat I call a certain Someone just happening to know what time it was, and said God, Let light be, and light was. Would you like me to say the same thing a moment or two before the streetlights come on? Hopefully, you won't say that it was an instance of divine fiat.
 
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Divine fiat? Where does it say "divine fiat?" Lucky for me, we live in the computer age. Ever own or operate one of those software programs that has a hit the one button and you get either the computer playing itself or some instructional? According to you, it all happened by chance. According to me, no chance, but design. So what you call divine fiat I call a certain Someone just happening to know what time it was, and said God, Let light be, and light was. Would you like me to say the same thing a moment or two before the streetlights come on? Hopefully, you won't say that it was an instance of divine fiat.
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All right. There is a little bit that makes some sense in there. So . . .

Divine fiat is a descriptive term to what happens in Gen 1 when God says let there be . . . for it happens as God says, usually no need for the direct involvement implied by BR' or `$Y. Nothing in Gen 1 happens by chance: it is a highly wrought literary achievement. (All the rest of your diatribe doesn't seem to be based on anything I wrote.)


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Given this very close correlation between the early books of Genesis and the Babylonian myths, would you say that the Genesis texts were post-exilic and drawing from the Balylonian myths directly or do you think it is more likely that both the Babylonians and the Proto-Hebrews took the earlier myths of the Sumerians and evolved them in slightly different (but parallel) directions?
As things stand at the moment, I don't see any text written before the "second" temple period. Ugarit has a variant on the great god against the sea, which is submerged in Dan 7, so I think that might reflect the homegrown version of the story. This makes a literary borrowing for the Gen 1 version more likely, but I can't be more definite.


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