Chili

It was not Mark and I was wrong when I guessed that it was John because he was still in prison at that time.

It was Peter who's faith had been exhausted when they all fled and he later followed them from a distance to see if he had failed Jesus when Jesus was led into their courtyard where the high priests could not find a charge against him.

Jesus admitted here that he was the son of man and Peter's denial while he was still naked in the courtyard (where he was warming himself) denied ever having kown Jesus indicates that Jesus was beyond faith (Peter was faith)and ready to be crucified.

Soon after that John is set free under the name of Bar-abbas.

This Peter was the same Peter who in John was found naked on their next fishing trip and once again put on his cloak of faith when he dove headfirst into the water but this time to go fishing on the 'other side of the boat.' The other side of the boat here is the other side of his mind which is where the celestial waters are and therefore the 'fish' are plentiful and large.

Chili

But courageous is he who brings faith to understanding and makes it run away naked.

Ted Hoffman

Incidental Detail. Jesus was a homosexual.

Chili

The first man was Peter (the angel), not only defrocked but also responsible for the trial and conviction of Jesus. I like it that this man followed Jesus into the courtyard because he was curious to see if faith (he) had done its thing in the way it is supposed to do it and that must have been 'heart warming' for him. Beautiful metaphors.

Incidently, this also means that salvation is the end of religion and religion not ever part of Christianity . . . or there would be temples in the New Jerusalem. Not once but 3 times did Peter deny ever having known Jesus who obviously did the right thing when he went to cleanse the temple (his mind) of religion and its influence on his actions.

The second was the young man who's ego was anniliated and was therefore sitting at the right (no left brain in the tomb).I'd rather see Mark as the pagan perspective without any details of the Jewish cause behind the event.

inquisitive01

Hmmmm, why not just read the parts you want to read, then out of those (seemingly very limited) parts formulate your "complete" (and hypothesized) understanding of the subject at hand.

Rick Sumner

I must beg to differ. There's nothing equating the naked young man with the "courageous among the mighty." That he was "following Jesus" does not put him as the "courageous among the mighty." If that was Mark's intent, he'd have had it happen to one of the disciples, ideally Peter.

As to who/what the naked young man is, I don't propose to know.

Regards,
Rick Sumner

Ted Hoffman

Could be linked to the naked young man in SGM. Since I noted this incidental detail in Mark, plus Judas' "warm kiss", I have been thinking that maybe SGM is authentic in some way...

spin

But then I guess you think Jesus should have been called Emmanuel, and that the end of Zechariah has nothing to do with the moneychangers' scene, and that Ps 22:1 should have been prefaced with "the messiah would say", and so on.


spin

Ted Hoffman

Apples and oranges.

This naked young man incident adds nothing of value to the story in Mark - hence its an incidental detail. Those that are preoccupied with HJ methodology treat incidental detail as a positive criteria.
The moneychangers case, unlike the naked young man's case, is secure down to the lexical level.

Mark 11:15-21 (the temple ruckus) seems to have a lot to do with Nehemiah 13:4-9 - more than Zechariah 14:21 anyway - I think they are linked. Notice the linguistic connection through common use of the term skeuoj (‘vessels’) - in Mark and Nehemiah. Prohibition against carriage through the Temple is the likeliest source of allusion to Nehemiah. Troughton, Davies and Allison have observed this.
It even appears as a sign of editorial fatigue hence literary borrowing.

MysteryProf

I don't see any connection between this quote and the naked man in Mark. Here's the full excerpt, for anyone who is curious:

So basically, the mighty who are fleeing naked are being put in their place by God. I hardly think that was God's intent for Jesus and his followers.