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Old 07-14-2008, 12:44 PM   #1
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Prepare for the fact that human experience will be different on the next plane.....
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It's true, as long as we're inventing imaginary magical concepts like an afterlife, we can just as easily make it a non-boring, cool afterlife.
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Old 07-14-2008, 12:49 PM   #3
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Prepare for the fact that human experience will be different on the next plane.....
My next plane's probably going to be from Toronto to New York. The experience is probably going to be more like being treated like a group of cattle instead of a like a group of paying customers who should be treated with respect and courtesy. So, yes, it should be quite different from the human experience.

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Prepare for the fact that human experience will be different on the next plane.....
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.



fact /fækt/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[fakt]

–noun 1. something that actually exists; reality; truth: Your fears have no basis in fact.
2. something known to exist or to have happened: Space travel is now a fact.
3. a truth known by actual experience or observation; something known to be true: Scientists gather facts about plant growth.
4. something said to be true or supposed to have happened: The facts given by the witness are highly questionable.
5. Law. Often, facts. an actual or alleged event or circumstance, as distinguished from its legal effect or consequence. Compare question of fact, question of law.
—Idioms6. after the fact, Law. after the commission of a crime: an accessory after the fact.
7. before the fact, Law. prior to the commission of a crime: an accessory before the fact.
8. in fact, actually; really; indeed: In fact, it was a wonder that anyone survived.
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Prepare for the fact that human experience will be different on the next plane.....
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
Fallacious!

I dunno he/she might have a minor point there. Whether its being turned into carbon dust, or worm food, or even Allah's paradise destination, I think it will be different enough to be considered a different plane. It's just not a fact that it will be fantasy Island.
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Prepare for the fact that human experience will be different on the next plane.....
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.



fact /fækt/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[fakt]

–noun 1. something that actually exists; reality; truth: Your fears have no basis in fact.
2. something known to exist or to have happened: Space travel is now a fact.
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5. Law. Often, facts. an actual or alleged event or circumstance, as distinguished from its legal effect or consequence. Compare question of fact, question of law.
—Idioms6. after the fact, Law. after the commission of a crime: an accessory after the fact.
7. before the fact, Law. prior to the commission of a crime: an accessory before the fact.
8. in fact, actually; really; indeed: In fact, it was a wonder that anyone survived.
Christianity is indeed factual. I'm truly sorry it doesn't fall into your definition of the term.
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"Oooh you can prove anything with facts can't you?" :Cheeky:
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Christianity is indeed factual. I'm truly sorry it doesn't fall into your definition of the term.
Howzabout a little thought experiment? Try to imagine yourself as a non-Christian - let's go all out and try to imagine yourself as a hardcore atheist. (You won't go to Hell for this, I promise.)

Now, from that perspective, read, oh, the resurrection narratives. In parallel, not one at a time. Try to see just why non-Christians just aren't that impressed with the whole thing.

Here's the thing: Christians (and religious folks in general) have an extremely difficult time looking at their beliefs from an external perspective. If you manage to do it, you'll see that the whole thing isn't nearly as self-consistent and coherent as you've been led to believe.

Read the Bible the same way you'd read any other old book. It's just that. An old book. There's nothing magical about it.

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Howzabout a little thought experiment? Try to imagine yourself as a non-Christian - let's go all out and try to imagine yourself as a hardcore atheist. (You won't go to Hell for this, I promise.)
You can cut the midguided condescension with a chainsaw.

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Now, from that perspective, read, oh, the resurrection narratives. In parallel, not one at a time. Try to see just why non-Christians just aren't that impressed with the whole thing.
Agnostic/skeptic for years before accepting Christ as Savior.

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If you manage to do it, you'll see that the whole thing isn't nearly as self-consistent and coherent as you've been led to believe.
"led to believe"... brother, it's time to drop the pretense of knowing my past... this board just thrives on that... you're the umpteenth person I've had to clue into the fact that I was not raised in an overtly Christian household.

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Read the Bible the same way you'd read any other old book. It's just that. An old book. There's nothing magical about it.
Says you. That doesn't make it true.
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Christianity is indeed factual. I'm truly sorry it doesn't fall into your definition of the term.
I'd like to ask you directly, given that you appear to believe in the existence of heaven and hell.

Why do you find the prospect of spending an eternity anywhere to be appealing? Why do you find that this makes any sense whatsoever? How do you find that this not only makes sense, but is factual?
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