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Old 01-01-2006, 03:39 PM   #11
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I believe that it is perhaps ethnocentrism that has prevented an honest peer review of the Aramaic Peshitta in the West.
OF: judge has been advocting Aramaic priority on these boards for some time now. You can search the forum and find a number of previous threads, in which he has failed in his attempt to show that there is anything behind the idea, or that scholars have not given Aramaic a fair hearing.

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Many have tried to prove Aramaic primacy, including judge, and have failed miserably. Just do a search for posts containing "spin", "Chris Weimer", and "judge" to get a good glimpse of them.
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The people who wrote the Gospels were not Palestinian Jews.
If you are correct, the Apostles did not write the New Testament. However, the unanimous witness of the early Church would disagree. That may not be good enough for everyone but you know what I mean.
While the Greek New Testament quotes the Septuagint, the Aramaic Peshitta quotes the Aramaic Tanakh.
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Old 01-01-2006, 04:59 PM   #13
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I believe that it is perhaps ethnocentrism that has prevented an honest peer review of the Aramaic Peshitta in the West.
I don't think you fully comprehend how it works. You see, when someone holds to the theory of Peshitta Primacy, it's their responsibility to submit it to the journal for peer review. Until you submit something, we don't have to do anything. What have you submitted?
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I don't think you fully comprehend how it works.
Scholarship reconsiders its most basic of principles when an alternative theory would make better sense of the available evidence. While the Churches of the East have traditionally held to the Aramaic text and therefore have avoided the problems of the Greek text, the West has not.
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Scholarship reconsiders its most basic of principles when an alternative theory would make better sense of the available evidence. While the Churches of the East have traditionally held to the Aramaic text and therefore have avoided the problems of the Greek text, the West has not.
The Aramaic priority, especially the Peshitta primacy, does not solve problems of the Greek text and creates numerous ones of its own. If you would kindly rummage through the threads I gave you, you would realize this. And scholarship, contrary to what you may think, is not in the habit of adopting a position of faith when it has absolutely zero evidence to support it.
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If you are correct, the Apostles did not write the New Testament. However, the unanimous witness of the early Church would disagree. That may not be good enough for everyone but you know what I mean.
While the Greek New Testament quotes the Septuagint, the Aramaic Peshitta quotes the Aramaic Tanakh.
Come now, whom are you trying to kid.

Everybody knows that the Gospels were not written by the disciples (not apostles) of Jesus.

Whoever wrote the Gospels did not judge it necessary to sign his name.
Like many documents of the times the Gospels were written pseudonymously.

Show us the unanimous witness of the early Church.

The church was hard at work tracing a link back to Jesus simply because it did not exist.
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And scholarship, contrary to what you may think, is not in the habit of adopting a position of faith when it has absolutely zero evidence to support it.
There is a good amount of evidence in favor of Aramaic primacy. Textually, there are difficult passages in the Greek that make more sense in the Aramaic.
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Everybody knows that the Gospels were not written by the disciples (not apostles) of Jesus.
By 'everyone', do you mean modern secular scholarship? I'd recommend that you look for this novel idea in any notable Orthodox Christian thinker.
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I would further recommend that those Orthodox Christian thinkers look at modern secular scholarship. Maybe they will learn something.
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There is a good amount of evidence in favor of Aramaic primacy. Textually, there are difficult passages in the Greek that make more sense in the Aramaic.
Any textual student should know the basic rule of thumb lectio difficilior potior.
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