Cojana

The belief that Jesus died as a sacraficial life for your sins, are an immoral thought, furthermore carry-ing Jesus's image on a cross are an obscene display, would you display a picture of your brother with his head chopped off, ? your doing the same thing with Jesus,...

Jobar

If Jesus was human as well as divine- wasn't he also a *human* sacrifice? If not, why not?

Cojana

I don't look at Jesus's murder as a sacraficial deed, Christains accept christ death as a saCRAFICE for thier sins, my personal morals can not accept Jesus's death as payment for my fuch-ups, its immoral to me, I used to accept Jesus's imaGE on the cross too, until one of my cousins tried to take a picture of my grandfather in agonising state before he died, I thought it was horribly ugly and immoral, then it down on me, Jesus are in agony on the cross, now I think its immoraly ugly, by the way, I'm not religious, I suspect a God,just in case, I'm seculer,just printing opinion,nothing more,...

joedad

In one sense it's no different than any other artistic object. But unlike other artistic objects it enjoys a tremendous cult following. There's a lot of great art out there, but few people get down on their knees in front of their beheld and sing to it, have conversations with it, and pretend to eat it. For such people it is probably more like a grave, except perhaps for the eating part.

It's also a memorial, like the Vietnam memorial in DC. Once again, however, no one is pretending to eat anyone.

Is it obscene? You could make a good argument that any memorial that graphically depicts death in such a manner is obscene. I think it's obscene to build a community park and bring in jet fighters, tanks, howitzers, mortars, cannons, and other arms for permanent display. But that's what the kids enjoy, unfortunately.

A dead man hanging from two boards on the wall isn't a big deal to me anymore. In retrospect it never really was. I have simply lived long enough to understand and appreciate that, unlike my ancestors of two generations ago who could expect on average to be dead before fifty. I'm hoping the majority of humanity one day feels similarly.

sullster

The wooden cross was the established method of execution in the Roman Empire of that time.

The fact that the religious system which arose from the supposed execution of its messiah, chose a representation of that execution method as its symbol, makes me wonder what such a symbol would have been in modern times.

What if the "saviour" had been beheaded in Revolutionary France? Imagine seeing churhes will Guillotines on the tops of spires. What if the "messiah" had been juiced by an electric chair? Can you imagine the pope carring a stick with an electric chair on top?

The religious see the cross as such a dreamy wonderful thing. I see it as an execution machine, bloody and horrendous. Revolting iconography.

joedad

And how would whites in the U.S. feel if the symbol of the Civil Rights movement was a lynched black man or a beaten and raped black girl? Imagine such a depiction being as common today as this crucified godman.

And of course it isn't just a black/white thing.

Opera Nut

"If Jesus had been executed twenty years ago, would all the little Christian kids be wearing little electric chairs around their necks?"

---Lenny Bruce

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Yes, Christianity is a soul killing death trip, and the crucifix/cross is the most obvious symbol of that perverted mindset, IMNSHO. Marilyn Manson has commented on this as well.

articwolf

It's a matter of how one views it, I suppose.

A simple cross with no body on it doesn't bother me, but a cross with a tortured man hanging on it, depicting what must have been a horrendous death of agony, I find disturbing to no end.
Christians see it as a beautiful display of sacrifice for their sake. I see it as a disgusting display of torture and senselessness.

I could rant on about why I find the idea of sin ridiculous, as well as why it makes precious little sense that an omnipotent god (who I don't believe in anyway) went this insane route in order to forgive mankind for the fall in the garden (Adam & Eve were set up!!!) is totally beyond me. Couple that with the idea that innocent blood had to be shed in order for man to be forgiven (a blood sacrifice), and how can someone (Jesus) take on the responsibility and pay for the 'sins' of someone else is something I'll never understand.

Cojana

I see christains as selfish, selfobsorbed individuals, to accept Jesus's agonizing death as payment for thier sins are the epitome of immorality, a disgusting method of serving themselves rejuvination, a final sacraledge to thier Vanity and Greed,egad!! :banghead:

DoodleBug

i never thought of it like that. now i think it's sick for people to have pics of him dieing. i wouldn't want a picture of one of my relatives dieing up on my wall.