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JoeWallack · 01-03-2005, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Toto

Are you sure? We don't have any record of it.

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Originally Posted by Kosh

Perhaps the posting was on the Qumran Infidels message board, which is also known as "Internet Infidels"....

JW:
Or perhaps offa is also known as Chili.

Atheos · 01-03-2005, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by offa

You need some definitions. "Bethlehem of Judea" and "Bethlehem" are two
different locations. "Bethlehem of Judea" is Qumran.

"All the children" does not mean "every one of the children". "All" is a pronoun
as opposed to "Many of the children". "All" and "Many" are separate sects.

"Children" does not mean adolescence. Children is an grouping depicting "those
in learning". When they get their cap (graduate) they become novices
(acolytes). The "children two years old and under" are in their early twenties.

Another name for "Qumran" is "Jerusalem".

We need some definitions. I see. So Herod decided to have "all the children 2 years and under throughout Bethlehem and the coasts thereof" killed and you find a passage regarding Jewish prisoners in the jail cells whom he orders executed upon his death and equate that to be an "extra-biblical" reference to the slaughter of the children?

So...

You define "children" as "men 20 years old or thereabouts".

You define "Bethlehem" as "Jerusalem"

You define "All" as "Some".

Pardon me for a few minutes while I roll and laugh. :rolling:

That's hogwash. As was already mentioned:

"Pas" means "All". Doesn't mean "some". Doesn't mean "many". Doesn't even mean "most". Means "all." Period.

Also...

"Bethlehem" clearly refers (in the context of "Matthew") to the city in which Jesus was allegedly born. "Matthew"'s reason for the slaughter in the first place is because Herod had been "mocked by the wise men" in reference to this alleged birth.

"Matthew" suggests that Herod thought this "King of the Jews" might be a rival to him and wanted to have him executed rather than take a chance on him growing up to vie for the throne. His alleged slaughter of the children was based on the time the wise men had originally inquired about the one who was "born king of the Jews". The most obvious implication is that Herod was trying to make sure he had executed this possible rival.

Of course there are many issues with this story that make absolutely no scientific sense, not the least of which is the "star" they followed. Unless the "star" was a low-flying aircraft it would have been useless as a landmark they could have followed.

-Atheos

dongiovanni1976x · 01-03-2005, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Mageth

One reason is because Matthew is a recasting of the story of Jesus that is clearly intended to model Jesus on Moses, to make Jesus a "new Moses", and which thus "spun" or "midrashed" various events from the myth of Moses and the Exodus into Jesus' life. That (midrashing) was an accepted method of linking a "prophet" figure such as Jesus into Hebrew mythology among the Hebrews.

In other words, the intent of Matthew was not to "convey" real events - Matthew is not an historical document, nor was it intended to be a literal, historical account - but to fit Jesus into Hebrew mythological "history".

Is this meant to mean that Matthew's AUDIENCE did not take this literally?

:huh:

offa · 01-04-2005, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Kosh

Perhaps the posting was on the Qumran Infidels message board, which is also known as "Internet Infidels"....

I have a tendency not to trust the moderators on this II board. I have been around for a long time.

offa

offa · 01-04-2005, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Toto

Are you sure? We don't have any record of it.

In all honesty, Toto, I probably "thought" I posted it. For what it is worth, I apologise. I really enjoy your expertise and encourage you to consider the source (offa).

offa

offa · 01-04-2005, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeWallack

JW:
Or perhaps offa is also known as Chili.

Welcome to the new world. Does Chili ever offer references, and, as a matter of fact, do you? I do not offer the click on crap. I write what I write. Hell, Joe, do you offer references? Or that click on shit?

BTW, Chili used to be Amos, did you know that?

Offa

gregor · 01-04-2005, 08:06 PM

FWIW, I actually remember offa posting this item, and it disappeared within about 20 minutes. I had assumed that he retracted it ('cause it seemed such a stretch).

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gregor Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 932	FWIW, I actually remember offa posting this item, and it disappeared within about 20 minutes. I had assumed that he retracted it ('cause it seemed such a stretch).

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