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IamJoseph · 07-16-2009, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by premjan

I don't think even the Hebrews have any record of 25000BC.

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The following chart is the Old Hebrew alphabet from roughly the 8th century BCE.

http://www.ancientscripts.com/old_hebrew.html

Examine it here in the old hebrew. The vowels and alphabets are the same when the top line is omitted. The vowel finctions are also the same: insert a dot under the alphabet and it becomes an eee sound, a dot at the top is the O sound.

The ancient word meanings are also the same:

ADAM - MAN IN HEBREW; ADAMI IN INDIAN.

The same with all ancient words: death [mort], yad [memory], haram [impure/forbidden], eyes [ayin/ank], book [KETAB/KITAB], Create/Made [BARA], 100s more apply, and they predate the urdu and arabic.

I don't think the Indian has alphabetical writings older - in provable hard copy.

IamJoseph · 07-16-2009, 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by mountainman

Perhaps following the same pathways as the "Arabic Numerals".

India is certainly the source of much technological wisdom.
The City of Alexandria was connected to India for centuries.
Philostratus' Life of Apollonius of Tyana amplifies the connection.
Apollonius returns to the source of gnosis.
He asks questions and is corrected.
Are there then the four elements (of nature)?
The Indians correct this statement - no, there are five.

etc

Mani, the Sassanid Persian sage of the mid-3rd century
performs the same pilgrimage to India and writes then
voluminously. His writings were deemed "heretical" and
burnt throughout the 4th and 5th centuries, along
with the Manicaeans and the followers of Mani.

The Indian predates Alex by far: the red dye for the pyramids, dated 5,200 years, came from India.

mountainman · 07-16-2009, 12:36 AM

To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.

--- Another Woody Allen One Liner.

The Gnostics were the political / religious opposition
around Alexandria during that fateful year c.324 CE
when a brand new and strange religion appeared
along with Constantine's very successful army.

The Gnostics were not christians.

mountainman · 07-16-2009, 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by IamJoseph

The Indian predates Alex by far: the red dye for the pyramids, dated 5,200 years, came from India.

I have no argument with this. The question on my mind is where did the black ink used to write -- on the one hand the new testament canonical books, and on the other hand the new testament non canonical books - in the Greek hand, come from, and when.

IamJoseph · 07-16-2009, 03:32 AM

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Originally Posted by IamJoseph

The Indian predates Alex by far: the red dye for the pyramids, dated 5,200 years, came from India.

I have no argument with this. The question on my mind is where did the black ink used to write -- on the one hand the new testament canonical books, and on the other hand the new testament non canonical books - in the Greek hand, come from, and when.

I don't know, but parchments came before scrolls, and the NT is a relatively new writings - about 1800 years old.

mountainman · 07-16-2009, 03:43 AM

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Originally Posted by IamJoseph

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Originally Posted by mountainman

I have no argument with this. The question on my mind is where did the black ink used to write -- on the one hand the new testament canonical books, and on the other hand the new testament non canonical books - in the Greek hand, come from, and when.

I don't know, but parchments came before scrolls, and the NT is a relatively new writings - about 1800 years old.

Then came the codex.

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Originally Posted by NHC 6.1

A book cover like (those of) my books was in his left hand.

IamJoseph · 07-16-2009, 04:20 AM

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Originally Posted by mountainman

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Originally Posted by IamJoseph

I don't know, but parchments came before scrolls, and the NT is a relatively new writings - about 1800 years old.

Then came the codex.

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Originally Posted by NHC 6.1

A book cover like (those of) my books was in his left hand.

All writings appeared a few short centuries after the emergence of speech. The notion of a speech endowed life form and no back-up writings for millions of years is ToE rubbish.

Huon · 07-16-2009, 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by IamJoseph

I don't know, but parchments came before scrolls, and the NT is a relatively new writings - about 1800 years old.

Are you sure ? papyrus is said to be much older than parchment.

IamJoseph · 07-16-2009, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by IamJoseph

I don't know, but parchments came before scrolls, and the NT is a relatively new writings - about 1800 years old.

Are you sure ? papyrus is said to be much older than parchment.

I'm not sure.

mountainman · 07-16-2009, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by mountainman

Then came the codex.

All writings appeared a few short centuries after the emergence of speech.

The codex only became widespread in the fourth century.

My quote was directly from NHC 6.1 "The Acts of Peter and the 12 Apostles" where the author makes the point that both this person -- the main person in the text called Lithargoel, the mysterious "Pearl Man" - carried a book cover. The cover of the codex carried by Lithargoel is similar to the cover of the codex carried by Peter the Apostle.

Why did Lithargoel and Peter carry around different books?

And the fact that the author presents these characters as
carrying around codices suggests that either the author
was writing in the fourth century when the codex technology
boomed, or that the author was a gifted prophet of technology.

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