Ishmael

Morality is a social contruct! Fucking Idiot Fundy (FIF for short)!


http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/sho...0&page=4&pp=60

dado

me, i'm a theist but i agree with you. on the flip side, there are atheists right here on IIDB who claim otherwise. just the other day one was saying morality could be completely defined by "empathy".

Valdemar

It is based on genetics, and is thus an evolutionary construct.

Ishmael

The point is not whether I am right or wrong. The point is that I answered the question. The dumbass Seer at TWeb just acts like his question is not being answered until it's his pet answer.

And it probably is an evolutionary construct, Valdemar...

Valdemar

Well, you're not wrong. The social and genetic aspects are intertwined. You could even say that religion is a social contruct for that matter. I will peruse your link and see what the bitch is.

Just keep in mind that arguing with most people of faith is like

:banghead: against a wall.

I love coming here to do that because it feels so good when I stop.

Valdemar

Okay, I perused the link to the thread you were involved with. Man, you really are a glutton for punishment talking to such a knob-head like "Seer." I love this statement by Seer:

Hahahaha!!!! Is this the best he can do? This is what many ignorant theists claim (not the high quality ones on these boards) when they don't have an argument for why there could possibly be Atheists.

Seer continues:

What a stupid question. Where do humans get love, or hate, or passion, or compassion, or envy, or sadness? Has this guy ever heard of emotions? Does he have a clue of how the brain functions?

Let's see if I can get his argument straight:

Q: Where do human's get their dignity?
A: I dunno.

Aha! You don't know! You idiot! If you don't know it must come from GOD!

Seer again:

Don't drag us into your personal hell, Seer. You have yet to establish the existence of your god without stating that I am not a good person and that I need forgiveness. Sin is a religious term, Seer. It means nothing to me and only exists in the minds of the religious.

And how does Seer finish?

There you have it, folks. Another Christian unable to formulate a decent argument, degrading to an obvious ad hominem. Now, Ishmael may very well be a teenager, but finding out how Ishmael's age was NOT the intent of that rhetorical question.

And you gotta follow the link and check out Seer's avatar: It's from "the Passion" and Jesus looks like he got hit by a bus.

Valdemar

Okay, I can't resist. Ishmael quotes:

and Seer responds:

Well, my "Creator" was my mom and dad. I believe the founding fathers were mostly Deists who believed in "nature's god" as the creator.

Seer continues:

Of course, the first sentence is false: humans are not the products of random chance. Evolution is anything but random.

And it is obvious that dignity is a self-preservation mechanism. Dignity is a feeling of self-worth. Humans with a feeling of self-worth are more able to survive and pass their genes to the next generation. Humans with low self-worth probably die or kill themselves before they can reproduce. It's obvious that self-esteem, worth, and dignity are important for humans to survive from one generation to the next. Any more questions?

Llyricist

I think he's the one with the problem explaining human dignity.

In any case if you define it like this:
Where it comes from is OTHER PEOPLE.

or like this:
As Valdemar said.
or like this:
Again, Other people

Now ask that guy how anyone who considers ALL humans depraved unworthy sinners can possibly also have dignity? Bearing in mind the ACTUAL definition of dignity.

Minnesota

Ishmael

Over at Tweb I have a list of 4 members with whom I absolutely will not discuss anything. Seer was the first on my list. Don't waste your time, he isn't going to change.

Ishmael

Thank you guys, I needed your input more than you know. :notworthy