Astreja

I'd like to read that. Where in the Vedas?

On a related derail, in the Poetic Edda there's a section called the Rigsthula which describes the Norse idea of a caste system. Possible link to the Rigveda?

Now, back to the cross/tree problem. Until we can find some serious archeological materials, it's going to be difficult to determine who got there first. Is the Eddaic Rúnatal the earliest account? The Gospels? The Vedas? Something else we haven't discovered yet?

(Pity about that fig tree, though. Perhaps Jesus should've sat under it instead of cursing it.)

premjan

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purusha_sukta

yummyfur

The Latin is "infelix lignum" which is probably better translated as "unfortunate wood" or "unfortunate timber", lignum is usually used for things made of wood, not living or whole trees. The Latin word arbor is the best term for a tree, and would be the one Seneca would use if he wanted to talk about an actual tree, as opposed to something just made of wood.

mountainman

Essennic bread springs to mind wherein, if memory serves correct,
grain is not crushed to flour, but instead germinated and used at
the germination phase for nourishing "bread" suitable for an army
on the move.

Pete Brown
www.mountainman.com.au

mountainman

Check "essenic bread" in which grain is not crushed to flour
but germinated and then used at the germination phase to
make "bread".



Pete Brown

CaliNORML

Thinking on this one for a bit now, it does make me go hummmmmmmmm, the one thought I keep hitting upon is perhaps Jesus just set that poor fig to follow the same light spectrum as man represents. Unable to produce leaves in red light the fig withered and died. With out the blue spectrum any plant will wither and die unable to produce food or leaves if it is not the time to produce in the warm color spectrum of fall.

Maybe it was for us to see that plants are indeed opposite to us and it started to see the wrong spectrum that made it so unproductive like us, starting in the red of hunger and aggression humans slowly turn to the willingness to serve others in the blue of compassion.

What captures my mind about this is from ancient text near Greece the seasons were reversed and spring time was in the fall. Many historians say that this was an effect of the micro climate caused by the sea along the coast. The same base principle seems to apply however when looked at in the text it tells of a society that started out from birth like plants only with the blue of light and its definition in their world. All were born to compassion, higher instincts, and no need to serve the self, only others.

KMS

P.S. Thanks for the Essennic bread links man, am digesting them now.

Chili

The uprooting of the fig tree suggests that the unexamined life is not worth living.

Fall and winter is the dormant period when fruit is set to be brought to life in spring. Many flowers will not bud and bloom without a 'dry spell' in their life and this same is true for humans who must go thought the dreary advent period of life before they can regenerate their own life. That is what the midwinter, midnight, midlife scene is all about wherein humans are born to eternal life.

In real life (tm) this midlife event obviously happens only once in a lifetime after the monotonous days of summer fail to bring relief and we begin to question the meaning of life on even the brightest summer day. This would be when and how summer turns to winter before man (as opposed to human) is able to bear his own parthenos to be set by the light if life itself that will bear fruit on the darkest hour of life wherein only it can be made known.

If the light of common day is an illusion the 4 seasons are also an illusion for humans to be used and abused that we may rise beyond its effect and arrive on the seventh day whereon the sun never did set. So we can say that in the grand inquisition of life the four seasons are called into question for them to bear fruit and they will do this but not for as long as we enjoy our summer days. Lovely.

There is nothing wrong with the seasons in Greece and I think that historians should read history books.

Boro Nut

Ha Ha, that's what you think. The last time I had Essennic bread I spewed my ring up.

Boro Nut

Boro Nut

And in turn it would explain why early christians had absolutely no valuables to speak of.

Boro Nut

Boro Nut

Yes, I know I've said this before but that's the central irony of the story. Jesus the carpenter was killed by being nailed to a lump of wood. You've got to admire those Romans. They knew how to have a laugh. And just think what would have happened if he'd been a plumber. How many would have followed him if he'd had his head shoved down the toilet?

Boro Nut