Chris Weimer

spin, you know of any references in the scrolls to Joshua 10:13 or 1st Samuel 1:18?

Toto

Mod advisory

OK - there's never a dull moment here in BCH. But please stick to the topic and try to avoid personal observations or speculations about other posters' sanity.

Those of us who do not believe in demons know what we think.

Randi's prize is available if WT can actually prove this.

Tars Tarkus

Not sure why a magical cloak for summoning animals is even needed. Why couldn't Noah just pray for the animals to all show up? And once again, Ham gets the shaft and has to be the bad guy; if you believed this tall tale Ham would have been one of the top 8 righteous people on the planet before the flood. I guess the finger had to be pointed at someone. Hilarious stuff.

Javaman

I can't see anyone reading the passages about the animal skin cloak as anything but high fantasy. I realize that, as with most claims of the supernatural from the distant past, I am merely arguing from incredulity. Granted, given I've never seen evidence that magical strength enhancing clothes exist, I have no reason to believe they did in the past. I do, however, take issue with the timelines involved. Perhaps someone can help me out. Take the following:
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Jasher 7:
14 These are the sons of Ham, according to their families, and their numbers in those days were about seven hundred and thirty men.

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23 And Cush the son of Ham, the son of Noah, took a wife in those days in his old age, and she bare a son, and they called his name Nimrod, saying, At that time the sons of men again began to rebel and transgress against God, and the child grew up, and his father loved him exceedingly, for he was the son of his old age.

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28 And when Ham begat his first born Cush, he gave him the garments in secret, and they were with Cush many days.
29 And Cush also concealed them from his sons and brothers, and when Cush had begotten Nimrod, he gave him those garments through his love for him, and Nimrod grew up, and when he was twenty years old he put on those garments.

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34 And when Nimrod was forty years old, at that time there was a war between his brethren and the children of Japheth, so that they were in the power of their enemies.

35 And Nimrod went forth at that time, and he assembled all the sons of Cush and their families, about four hundred and sixty men, and he hired also from some of his friends and acquaintances about eighty men, and be gave them their hire, and he went with them to battle, and when he was on the road, Nimrod strengthened the hearts of the people that went with him.
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So, around the time Nimrod was 40, there were enough people on the earth to have armies and kingdoms and all the trappings we associate with human existance a few thousand years ago?

I'm missing some pieces of the timeline:
- Ham is born before the flood
- Ham's firstborn is Cush and Ham is ?? years old (this doesn't matter much but I'd like to know)
- Cush has some children and then has Nimrod at age ??
- 40 years later there are apparently thousands upon thousands of people - at least enough to have 'kingdoms'

Bible Gateway is having trouble this morning but I'm trying to figure out the necessary birth rates for this to happen. Even agreeing that Ham had 730 sons, that had to take time and even if they were by different women, those women had to be born. I'm sure my lack of knowledge on the subject is showing, though.

spin

Ummm, what has the topic got to do with BC&H anyway?


spin

Toto

The Book of Jasper is a legitimate topic for BCH, along with other Biblical fakes and attempts to expand Biblical stories.

WT's demonology has been split off and moved to ~Elsewhere~.

Thank you for your patience.

Clivedurdle

Anyone know why cushitic languages - Ethiopian, Somali (?) are called cushitic? Anyone got any links to myths about Nimrod? (I'm working with Somalis and it would be fun to trace their 'history" back to Noah!

WILLOWTREE

Authenticity of Jasher

1) Cited twice in the Bible. Opponents simply assert it not to be the same book.

2) Dr. Scott printed the book at his own expense because his research verified it as authentic.

At Stanford, when he was agnostic, Dr. Scott rejected every book of the Bible.

He researched each book and concluded that every book was authentic except the general epistle of James. He also rejects Song of Solomon and Ecclesiastes as worthy of canonical placement.

Dr. Scott owns all 7 printings of the First Edition KJV. They exist in one glass case at his Bible museum. This is the only place in the world where all 7 are in one place.

http://www.drgenescott.com/stn27.htm

The Bible's are opened to the Apocraphal Books to prove these books were always in the Canon until the Puritans and Bible Societies of America and Britain arbitrarily removed them.

Please take the picture tour of the Museum starting here: http://www.drgenescott.com/dgtour.htm keep clicking to all 53 pages !

My Point: Dr. Scott, in my opinion, was the eminent authority on Bible books authenticity in the world.

He has said the Book of Jasher is authentic.

I have posted evidence proving a claim from that book.

WT

Julian

Supposedly those regions were settled by the descendants of Cush (son of Ham, AFAIK). Here is what the dictionary says:

http://www.bartleby.com/61/13/C0821300.html

Definition #2 seems like the better explanation.

Julian

Ovazor

Of course he believed in his own research. The fact is that very few else does.


What has this got to do with anything?

How did they manage to remove them in other countries?

You have a pretty funny idea about the meaning of word "evidence"