Vorkosigan

This looks like prosyletizing.

Michael

J-D

If your purpose is to preach against Biblical inerrancy, then, as this is an infidels' discussion board, you're preaching to the choir. The page you linked to has some point, because it was directed to Christians, and to Christians in a particular tradition (that is, an evangelical one) where Biblical inerrancy is widely believed in. But here, most people's reaction to claims that the Bible is not inerrant is, if you'll pardon the colloquialism, 'Well der-rr ....' (At least, that's what we said when I was at school: if it's an Australianism impenetrable to outsiders, I apologise.)

If, on the other hand, your point was that there are lots of Christians, including evangelical ones, who do not believe in Biblical inerrancy, then I think I already knew that as well, but I am nevertheless grateful to you for pointing out what seems a valuable resource. It is interesting to me, and I hope also to others here, to see in more detail how evangelical Christians who do not believe in Biblical inerrancy, and who are not anti-science, argue their case.

Fr.Andrew

(Fr Andrew): Agree.

Prester John

An observation you made a couple of times.

So Yahweh made a mistake in the OT and then in his alter ego of Jesus pointed it out later.Thought he was supposed to be infallible and all that, and as noah has consistently pointed out the OT stuff was for ever and ever which is a very long time - not a few hundred years.

Anyway, also agree looks like prosyletizing.

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Kosh

Good. Thought for a second I'd stumbled into Sunday School....

patchy

Why would Jesus need to "correct" any commandment handed down by a perfect and omnipotent god...(yet alone "himself" if one takes the trinity concept seriously?)

How did God "get it wrong" in the OT?

<slaps forehead> Oh, wait..it all makes perfect sense. I forgot for a second that God was made up by illiterate goatherders thousands of years ago. Never mind.

JoeWallack

JW:
Well Jesus:

Mark 3 (NIV)
4 "Then Jesus asked them, "Which is lawful on the Sabbath: to do good or to do evil, to save life or to kill?" But they remained silent.
5 He looked around at them in anger and, deeply distressed at their stubborn hearts, said to the man, "Stretch out your hand."

Go tell "Mark's" Jesus this cause I Am not going to (he might get angry with me).



Joseph

"Repent all ye who lead sinful and adulterous lives. For if ye do not, your tongue shall stick to the rrrh, rrrh, rrrrh." - Jimmy Swaggert

http://www.errancywiki.com/index.php/Main_Page

Steven Carr

You are pushing at an open door here. We can see how uncontrolled anger can so easily lead to murder, in the wrong hands.

2 Samuel 6:6 ‘When they came to the threshing floor of Nacon, Uzzah reached out his hand to the ark of God and took hold of it, for the oxen shook it. The anger of the LORD was kindled against Uzzah, and God struck him there because he reached out his hand to the ark, and he died there beside the ark of God.’

A lesson for us all there to not become angry....

Was Jesus ever angry?

Is anger a sin in itself? Does Jesus blame you even for acts which are not sinful?

Did Jesus really overturn the law?

Did Jesus really declare all foods clean, as Mark writes?

Steven Carr

But *did* God get it wrong in the OT?

Matthew 15:4 For God said, 'Honor your father and mother' and 'Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.'

Jesus renews these 2 commandments from God. Christians today recoil with horror from the thought of obeying both of these commandments of God that Jesus rebuked the Pharisees for disobeying.

The first half of the verse, fine, they have no problems with that, but they won't accept the second half of the verse. It's called cafeteria theology. You can just choose whichever bits of Jesus's commandments you like.

RED DAVE

From Gamera:
All well and good, but what was his authority for overturning the law? And where did he get that bullshit about anger=murder.

I mean if he was a nice Jewish boy from Galilee (I'm from Brooklyn myself), who gave him permission?

Sounds like guilt trip his mother laid on him.

MARY: Joshua, are you angry with me?
JOSH: Yeah, mom. You really piss me off sometimes.
MARY: Oh, Joshua, you've put a knife through my heart.
JOSH: I'm sorry mom. I didn't mean to hurt you.
MARY: I forgive you son. Now about that little whore Magdalen, from down the block, you've been hanging out with. Don't think I don't know what you two are up to. I was young once.
JOSH: Is that why I don't look like dad?

RED DAVE