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Old 04-08-2009, 05:51 AM   #141
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Evidence the Egyptian Pyramids were built after the Tower of Babel.
Where is the evidence that the Tower of Babel was ever built / started / existed?

And no Bible quotes, I said evidence.

The Bible is evidence.
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Old 04-08-2009, 06:14 AM   #142
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And no Bible quotes, I said evidence.
The Bible is evidence.
Okay, fine, pretend that the word 'evidence' is that slippery.
Now, do you have any ADDITIONAL evidence that can be used to corroborate the biblical evidence?
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Where is the evidence that the Tower of Babel was ever built / started / existed?

And no Bible quotes, I said evidence.

The Bible is evidence.
The Bible is hearsay of hearsay of hearsay...
Not to mention explicitly excluded from this proceeding.

Not admissible.

Case dismissed. :wave:

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Where is the evidence that the Tower of Babel was ever built / started / existed?

And no Bible quotes, I said evidence.

The Bible is evidence.
Do you consider it evidence against Jewish myths as per Titus 1:13-15?

Additionally, doesn't everyone start with natural experiences (even if you define them as caused by God) instead of stuff written in a book?
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Old 04-08-2009, 07:23 AM   #146
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The Bible is evidence.
Yes, but not of what you're talking about. Maybe the Bible is evidence for the ignorance and superstition of pre-scientific peoples, but as history or journalism? Not really, or not much

I thought the Tower of Babel was usually identified with a Sumerian ziggurat like the one at Ur? These structures were maybe slightly later than the Giza pyramids, but within the same era (middle-late 3rd millenium bce)
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Free Indeed - did you personally use a scientific experiment to test God?

Did you ever properly write it up so your peers could review it?
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Unless you have evidence besides the bible for the event, then yes, you are believing in something we know from the filed of medicine, is not possible.

The question that remains, is how honest are you in reality?
Are you willing to follow the truth rather than the fables? Until you reach the point were you let the evidence take you wherever it leads you rather than to try to shoehorn what obviously will not fit, no matter what you try, I guess it's equal to having a conversation with a wall. You are basically telling me that every scientist who has ever lived and contributed to their fields of science, were wrong, were liars and deceitful? Are you telling me that every field of science is invalid? Aren't you typing these posts on a computer? Do you even have an idea which fields of science has been involved and which has to be true for you to have a computer? Does any of these go against your bible? (Hint. Geology is heavily involved in computers, do you even know how?)

All science has nothing to do with evolution from common ancestry. That is a model to help explain all that we see, no science experiment or anything we observe takes us there.
Was there a reason why you didn't answer my questions? You just went off on something I didn't talk about, why?
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...I'm looking through arose colored glasses as in "He arose" and can see the falicies of the atheist position but have a hard time dealing with all the scientific distractions.
You have yet to identify a single legitimate fallacy. Your continued faith does not constitute a fallacy on the part of your opponents. Your refusal or inability to deal with the presented evidence does not constitute a fallacy on the part of your opponents.

You have faith that your opponents are wrong and that appears to be all you have.

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That's why scientists come to the same faith that I have, it's simple.
But they don't have faith in the same things you do. This is simply false. You have can many scientists with some sort of vague belief in the existence of some sort of supreme being or power but you will be quite hard pressed to find even a few that support the beliefs you've been defending in this thread.

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All science has nothing to do with evolution from common ancestry.
I'm not sure what you intended to write but this sentence is incoherent. The fact is there are several different areas of science that independently reach the same conclusion. This convergence is part of the reason why the vast majority of scientists in related fields accept evolution as the best explanation.

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That is a model to help explain all that we see, no science experiment or anything we observe takes us there.
You need to obtain better sources for scientific information. Evolutionary changes are seen laboratory settings all the time.

Why make stuff up when the real answer is you just don't know?
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Where is the evidence that the Tower of Babel was ever built / started / existed?

And no Bible quotes, I said evidence.

The Bible is evidence.
You can't just ask us to accept as fact everything we read in your particular religious book. Do we also accept the Koran and the Four Vedas as evidence? Do we accept Dianetics? Maybe the Christian Protestant Bible really is fact, but we don't just accept it on faith like maybe you would. Demonstrate the claim. It won't be easy. Many of us have already concluded that the Bible is inconsistent with history, inconsistent with scientific knowledge, inconsistent with logic, and inconsistent with itself. What you really need is external evidence. Where are the foundations of the tower of Babel? Where are the remains of the diaspora? There are a lot of ways that the Bible could be proved correct by looking at the world. Where is the global layer of sediment deposited by the flood? Where do we find the salt water and sea life in all of the inland lakes? Where is Noah's Ark? Where are the dinosaur bones and trilobite shells in human camps? Where are the Egyptian recordings of the ten plagues? Where are the remains of the exodus out of Egypt? Where is the huge temple of Solomon?
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