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sensiblesue · 06-21-2007, 02:20 PM

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Your mistake is imagining that the OP presupposes the existence of God. "No, because God doesn't exist; therefore he doesn't distribute benefits, period" is a valid response. Besides, even if God existed, his having created everything could still be in question.

(BTW, Johnny hasn't made an argument here. The implied argument you were trying to disallow is DBT's.)

Then trying to answer is pointless. No matter what answer we give the response can be, "Well how do you know that's God?" Even if its some supernatural miracle the response can be, "Well how do you know its not the devil?" It puts the criteria on such a high level there is no chance for an honest inquiry.

Well, I would agree that an affirmative answer based on the presupposition that God made everything is pointless. Christians and atheists usuallty come to loggerheads very quickly on a question like this. Atheists are thinking something like No just God would create a universe in which benefits are so unevenly distributed. Defend your concept of God if you can, while the theist is thinking something like what Tigers! said. The atheist has to enter your myth to point out that God hasn't spread his blessings around so very evenly as evidenced by the fact that some people on this planet, through no fault of their own, are suffering horribly for want of food, water, shelter, etc., while others are basking in luxury. At this point theists usually blame the victim or get mad at the atheist and ask him why he's blaming the world's problems on a god he doesn't believe in. Round and round we go.

Corona688 · 06-21-2007, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by achristianbeliever

Then trying to answer is pointless. No matter what answer we give the response can be, "Well how do you know that's God?"

Hallelujiah! At long last, someone finally gets it!

You're eminently correct. If there's any reason to assume any of this was caused by a god, you don't know it.

As for the supernatural, that'd actually be fairly convincing. It just hasn't happened.

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