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jdlongmire · 06-06-2004, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Gospelog2

What are the biggest excuses for refusing Christ?

I do not know if I would use this phraseology...maybe "reasons" as opposed to "excuses"? Are you writing a term paper in school?

...just my 2 cents...

06-06-2004, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by jdlongmire

I do not know if I would use this phraseology...maybe "reasons" as opposed to "excuses"?

Even then the question doesn't make any sense. Why are we refusing "Christ's" what? Deal? Proposition? Money? Thanks for giving such an interesting thread Gospelog2.

rlogan · 06-06-2004, 06:51 PM

What do you mean refusing Christ?

You mean like a Bar-B-Que?

I like a hot sauce with honey and mustard.

Slow cooked.

Magus55 · 06-06-2004, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Javaman

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3) Never met the guy

You haven't met the vast majority of humans that live or have lived. Ever met Columbus, Napolean, Cleopatra, Caesar, Hitler? Never meeting the guy is not a valid argument.

Magus55 · 06-06-2004, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by MonCapitan2002

There is no god. There are no other reasons that need to be stated. Since there is no god, Jesus, can't be the son of god, since none exists.

How do you know there is no god? Are you basing this on scientific fact, or your own unsupportable opinion?

06-06-2004, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Magus55

You haven't met the vast majority of humans that live or have lived. Ever met Columbus, Napolean, Cleopatra, Caesar, Hitler? Never meeting the guy is not a valid argument.

It is if the fellow in question is the all-knowing, all-powerful, ever-present creator of the universe.

Magus55 · 06-06-2004, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Rhaedas

1) lack of extra-biblical evidence to support existence

Why does there need to be? How much evidence is there really for many famous people like Columbus or Napolean? Yet they are accepted as fact by almost everyone.

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2) multiple similiar storylines older than the bible's

Not really a valid argument. Just because someone other than the Israelites wrote it down first, doesn't mean its not based on the same events and history. How many people have written multiple books on the same topic? Is every book written after the first invalid and useless?

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3) still missing after all these years

And why would you assume He should have been here by now?

sensate · 06-06-2004, 07:01 PM

No, I will not answer your question as it is phrased. I do not believe in the basic assumptions inherent in your question. Therefore I cannot answer it.

Magus55 · 06-06-2004, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by doubtingthomas

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2. Jesus' failed prophecy

In Matt. 24:34 Jesus predicts his coming to occur within the lifetime of the current generation. It goes without saying of course that his prophecy failed.

Incorrect. This is a false reading of Matt 24 by atheists. Jesus is describing the end times events. Why would Jesus need to tell the Apostles to write down the end times events and "this generation" if they were the only ones who were gonna see it? The Bible was written for future generations, not the 1st century generation. The apostles wrote it so those in the future who read the Gospel, and witnessed the signs revealed by Jesus would know that they are who Jesus is referring to. You could read it more accurately as "The generation of the end times shall not pass until these things are fullfilled". The apostles just broke it up into more depth.

Magus55 · 06-06-2004, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Ad Astra

It is if the fellow in question is the all-knowing, all-powerful, ever-present creator of the universe.

He also happens to be the spiritial, non-natural creator of the universe. Have we invented a spiritual detector yet?

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sensate Regular Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: midwest Posts: 438	No No, I will not answer your question as it is phrased. I do not believe in the basic assumptions inherent in your question. Therefore I cannot answer it.

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06-06-2004, 06:51 PM	#23
rlogan Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Alaska Posts: 9,159	What do you mean refusing Christ? You mean like a Bar-B-Que? I like a hot sauce with honey and mustard. Slow cooked.

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