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HBKSCM · 03-08-2006, 10:17 AM

Has anyone read his books? I think they're really cool and have a lot behind them and are loaded with info

Here's Graham Hancock's site with a good introduction
http://www.grahamhancock.com/underworld/

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Between 17,000 years ago and 7000 years ago, at the end of the last Ice Age, terrible things happened to the world our ancestors lived in. Great ice caps over northern Europe and north America melted down, huge floods ripped across the earth, sea-level rose by more than 100 metres, and about 25 million square kilometres of formerly habitable lands were swallowed up by the waves.

Marine archaeology has been possible as a scholarly discipline for about 50 years - since the introduction of scuba. In that time, according to Nick Flemming, the doyen of British marine archaeology, only 500 submerged sites have been found worldwide containing the remains of any form of man-made structure or of lithic artefacts. Of these sites only 100 - that's 100 in the whole world! - are more than 3000 years old.

This is not because of a shortage of potential sites. It is at least partly because a large share of the limited funds available for marine archaeology goes into the discovery and excavation of shipwrecks. This leaves a shortage of diving archaeologists interested in underwater structures and a shortage of money to pay for the extremely expensive business of searching - possibly fruitlessly - for very ancient, eroded, silt-covered ruins at great depths under water. Moreover, with the recent exception of Bob Ballard's survey of the Black Sea for the National Geographic Society, marine archaeology has simply not concerned itself with the possibility that the post-glacial floods might in any way be connected to the problem of the rise of civilisations. ( http://www.ngnews.com/news/2000/11/1...cksea_3252.asp )

In 1997 a chain of mountains almost 2000 kilometres long and more than 3000 metres high was discovered in the South Pacific. Nobody ever knew the mountains were there before because they are under water - as, in fact, is 70 per cent of the earth's surface. Marine archaeologists -- who are looking for targets much smaller than mountain-ranges under the sea -- can therefore be forgiven for finding just 100 submerged sites more than 3000 years old in the past half century. Even at the crude mapping level, it is one of the absurdities of scientific priorities that we now have a better map of the surface of Venus than we do of the 225 million square kilometres of our own planet's sea-floor.

On land it is obvious that archaeology still has much more work to do before it can honestly claim to have fully understood (rather than merely theorised about) the process by which the great civilisations of ancient history arose. Vast areas of the earth's surface - the Sahara Desert, for example (which was green for 4000 years at the end of the Ice Age) - have hardly benefited from the attentions of archaeologists at all. And even in countries like Egypt which have been intensively excavated for more than a century new discoveries can still be made that call established views and chronologies into question.

In December 2000 excavations at Abydos in Upper Egypt by a University of Pennsylvania/University of New York team demonstrated that the intriguing religious practise of boat burial - for example the so-called solar boat of Khufu buried on the south side of the Great Pyramid of Giza - is very likely to have predynastic origins. A fleet of 14 boats found buried at Abydos a decade ago were originally assigned to the mortuary complex of Pharaoh Khasekhemwy of the Second Dynasty (circa 2675 BC). However, after thoroughly examining one of the boats (a sophisticated narrow-prowed "sewn" boat about 23 metres long made of wooden planks lashed together with rope), the excavators now believe that "the ships were buried some centuries before Khasekhemwy's enclosure was built. The fleet may have been intended for use in the afterlife of a much earlier pharaoh, perhaps even Aha [circa 2920 BC], the First Dynasty ruler of Egypt..." ( http://www.archaeology.org/online/news/abydos.html ) If this is the case, since the boat-burials at Abydos are far from being the work of beginners, then it seems obvious that the practise -- and the entire wonderful religious apparatus that goes with it -- must predate the First Dynasty.

But by how much?

Nobody knows.

Another interesting development also announced in December 2000 was the discovery of a group of very unusual ancient tombs at Elkab in Upper Egypt. The Elkab tombs are thought to date to the Second Dynasty, although the site itself has yielded evidence of continuous occupation from 8000 years ago until about 2000 years ago. The tombs are circular stone structures (with diameters of 18 to 20 metres) which in two cases were carefully arranged around large natural boulders. They have been compared with the Neolithic funeral mounds of Europe and, as the Belgian excavators admit, are of a type "thus far unknown in Egypt". ( http://www.usatoday.com/weather/scie...dawn121200.htm )

So much then for the archaeologists having the whole picture about the evolution and development of any civilisation - even ancient Egypt which has been the subject of more archaeological investigation than any other.

But now let's remember as well that along continental margins and around islands across the world an area bigger than the Unites States of America was inundated at the end of the Ice Age: 3 million square kilometres (an area the size of India) was submerged around Greater Australia alone; another 3 million square kilometres went under around South-East Asia; the Florida, Yucatan and Grand Bahama Banks were fully-exposed off the Gulf of Mexico; huge areas of land were swallowed up in the Mediterranean, the Black Sea, the North Sea and the Atlantic, etc, etc, etc - the list really does goes on and on.

In my view the possibility of a serious "black hole" in scientific knowledge about recent prehistory is plausible, reasonable and worthy of consideration. I therefore propose that the conclusions of modern archaeology regarding the origins and early evolution of human civilisation should be treated as provisional until a comprehensive, global, marine-archaeological survey of continental shelves down to depths of at least 120 metres has been undertaken.

Here are his books
http://www.grahamhancock.com/library/bookshop.php

He has done an incredibly successful job of challenging and pointing out the flaws of many conventional views about the past and history. He's very intelligent, knowledgable and experienced.

An interesting one is Heaven's Mirror : Quest for the Lost Civilization"

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Hancock's previous work, including the popular and controversial Fingerprints of the Gods, has drawn criticism for its leaps of faith and allegedly pseudoscientific conclusions, but Heaven's Mirror proves at least a little more substantial. His chief thesis is that numerous ancient sites and monuments--the pyramids of Mexico and Egypt, the ruins of Angkor Wat in Cambodia, the monuments of Yonaguni in the Pacific, and the megaliths of Peru and Bolivia--are situated in such a way, geodetically, that they point towards some separate and uniform influence, some lost civilization or "invisible college" of astronomer-priests. And that civilization, as evidenced in the mathematics and architecture of the sites, points towards some gnosis, or body of knowledge, that would allow humanity to transcend the trap of mortality, a worldview in which the knowledge-giving serpent of Eden is not a villain but a hero.

Here is an interesting article by him:
http://www.grahamhancock.com/underworld/un...underworld1.php

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the basic theory:
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"First of all, there is a common legacy of all these world wide ancient civilizations that they do not even address. This legacy lies not in the 'modern' myth of Atlantis, but in the myths and legends of each of these civilizations which make common reference to cataclysms, especially floods, similar gods or god experiences, and precessional and other astronomically significant numbers, etc, etc. The writing, architecture, and agriculture of these ancients are by products of their development which had its roots in a lost civilization of 12000 years ago. Who today remembers his great grandfather much less thousands of years ago, yet we are subtly influenced by him in ways unknown to us. We have built our lives on the legacy of our ancestors.

A survivor of some cataclysm, say a flood, who barely escapes with his life, lands on an island that was a mountain top with little or nothing left of his former life but the knowledge and resourcefulness of how to survive. He may have used a computer or driven a car, but he can't build one nor does he have the materials. He may have organizational skills, however, and be able to bring order to a confused more primitive people who have become cannibalistic as well as chaotic as they crowd together on the top of this mountain. Although he , of course, can read and write, there is nothing to read and no one can read what he writes, so he draws pictures to communicate where language does not work. Others copy his pictures and add their own personality to them until after many millennia a system of picture writing has been established. A system used to record the memory of 'he' who taught them in the beginning.

Likewise,the use of certain building techniques spring from those first shelters that 'he' helped them build. Certain architectural styles stem from 'his' own architectural background. These are modified to fit the materials and function of their civilization.

Though 'he' probably was not keeping seeds on board 'his' boat at the time of 'his' escape, 'he' knows enough about planting to make use of the indigenous plant life in order to introduce agriculture. Most people today have a basic understanding of growing food which they could use in a time of crisis. Again 'his' agriculture would be in keeping with the resources at hand. As the years went by, everything 'he' taught them would appear as if it were developed by the people themselves.

The legacy of the ancients of the lost civilization lies in their knowledge and know-how. They imparted this to those lesser informed, then died. Some of the knowledge was retained and passed on either in myths or in functionality as in the development of structures, agriculture, and picture writing. Around the world this development would be similar, but appropriate to the area that each ancient influenced. And there was a universal symbol left by the ancients, which even school children know, --the serpent, with or without feathers."

Any "conventional" scientists who have tried to discredit him, got soundly defeated and embarassed
http://www.grahamhancock.com/horizon/default.htm

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In an unprecedented step, the Broadcasting Standards Commission, an organisation appointed to uphold standards and fairness in UK broadcasting, has found the BBC guilty of unfairly representing alternative history authors Graham Hancock and Robert Bauval in a programme broadcast in November of last year.

The BBC 2 programme, entitled Atlantis Reborn, was part of the flagship Horizon strand of science-oriented documentaries. The programme-makers, Bettina Lerner (series editor), Christopher Hale (director/producer), and Julian Hudson (researcher), claimed to provide a balanced and objective "testing" of unorthodox theories relating to the development of human civilisation. Now the Broadcasting Standards Commission has judged that the central part of their attack on Hancock and Bauval was unfair. It appears this is the first time in Horizon's 35-year history that it has been found guilty of unfairness by an independent commission. The BSC's finding is therefore a severe blow to Horizon's well-established reputation for even-handedness.

Graham Hancock has raised many issues ignored by conventional scientists. He has done a good job of challenging the commonly held beliefs, and has withstood and answered scrutiny. His work is definitley based in reality and facts. It shows there are lost civilizations far back in history long before how far the current understanding goes.

I remember a show where he showed that the bimini road blocks, are all raised above the sea floor about 6 inches, by almost cone shaped( but stable, not pointed on the end) pillars at each corner. That doesn't look natural. He pointed out that the geologists who claimed it was natural did not even probably look underneath the blocks, or completely ignored that part.

The Underworld show showed, that at least some of them, are still propped above the ground by stones at the corners. WHy? Well, it would be a mystery then, like stonehenge

And even though this article claims there are no blocks placed on top of each other at bimini, I saw on the Underworld show that there are smaller pillar blocks placed underneath at the corners, almost holding the main blocks off the ground by several inches. There' also the fact that geologists themselves can't even agree on the age.
http://www.intersurf.com/~chalcedony/Bimini1.html

in like 10,000 years a lot of things are going to just simply disappear, or perhaps be only known in a few small traditions.

There are also some interesting above water sites around the bimini area. Ones that were not first discovered by archaeologists, but by the ARE( association of research and enlightenment) organization.

http://edgarcayce.org/am/biminiexpedition.html

He also showed there are clear cut man made archways, with astrological alignments underwater near Malta. The art around Malta is very similar to stone age, spiral-like art. There were teeth found near malta in a cave layer only possible at 12,000 years ago. Many skulls or skeletons from that cave mysteriously dissapeared and have never been dated. And then he found underwater clear cut archways and temples at Malta.

We know ancient cultures were very concerned with Feng Shui and astronomy, Grahan Hancock I'm sure is correct in his theories, as they are quite detailed and clearly documented with evidence, and the fact I just said, Feng Shui is a big part of ancient knowledge in many cultures.

Another thing that shows his knowledge, the Yonaguni megalith. 10 years ago several scientist who examined it thought it was natural, or maybe only altered by humans. Dr. Robert Schoch and John Anthony West thought it was natural upon first examination. However, even higher level scientists like Dr. Kimura stated, and risked their reputatiopn in stating it was man-made. Graham Hanock also thought it was man made, I believe. Now, with the newer discoveries of the giant statue and standium in another area nearby, I don't think many people think it's natural anymore

Here's a short video showing the similarities between South American sites and teh Yonaguni site
http://www.wonder-okinawa.jp/024/english/h...ht/024_0022.ram

Here's a really good article on it-
http://www.pureinsight.org/pi/articles/200.../6/30/1678.html

Here's a site with a lot of info an various underwater meagaliths including the "Bimini Road"
http://www.altarcheologie.nl/index.html?co...aracters_01.htm

And
http://www.sciencedaily.com/encyclopedia/r..._gulf_of_cambay
http://www.hermetics.org/cambay.html
http://www.world-mysteries.com/jgray.htm
http://paranormal.about.com/library/weekly...y/aa011402a.htm
http://ancienthistory.about.com/gi/dynamic...s/0501/118.html

And his new work coming out October 2005, it's about altered states of conciousness and "Shamanism"-
http://www.grahamhancock.com/supernatural/

Release date October 2005
http://www.grahamhancock.com/supernatural/

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[“Supernatural: Due to or manifesting some agency above the forces of nature, outside of the ordinary operation of cause and effect.”]
Supernatural

* The evolution of modern humans has taken more than five million years but until less than 50,000 years ago we had no art, no religion, no sophisticated symbolism, no creative and innovative thinking, and quite possibly no language. Then, a dramatic and electrifying change overtook our ancestors in every part of the globe, and all the skills and qualities that we value most highly in ourselves today appeared suddenly, already fully formed, as though bestowed on us by hidden powers. Scientists describe this change as “the greatest riddle in human history”.
* The first art of mankind, in the painted caves and rock-shelters of southwest Europe and South Africa, dates back to the time of the great change. Why do these ancient paintings, tens of thousands of years old, depict beings of a kind that are never found in nature – strange and eerie hybrids with the heads of animals and the bodies of humans?
* In the depths of the Amazon rainforest tribal shamans drink a powerful hallucinogenic brew called Ayahuasca (“the vine of souls”) in order to induce visions. When they return to normal consciousness, after experiencing what they believe is out-of-body travel in the spirit world, they make paintings of the “intelligent beings” they have encountered. Why are many of these beings also depicted as uncanny hybrids with the heads of animals or serpents and the bodies of humans? And why do the shamans say that they have taught them everything they know about how to live in the jungle, and about the medicinal value of rainforest plants?
* Why do Western lab volunteers, placed experimentally under the influence of hallucinogens such as DMT, psilocybin, mescaline and LSD, report visionary encounters with “beings” in the form of animal-human hybrids – beings identical to those the Amazonian shamans claim to meet and to those painted by our ancestors in the prehistoric caves?
* What is the significance of the astonishing similarities between the entities known as “aliens”, ET’s” or “greys” in modern popular culture, the entities known as “fairies”, “elves” and “goblins” in the Middle Ages, and the entities that shamans in surviving tribal cultures know as “ghosts”, “gods” and “spirits”? Why are such figures depicted in prehistoric art as far afield as Africa, Europe, the Americas and Australia?
* Why have eminent scientists at the cutting edge of consciousness research, especially those who study the ways that hallucinogens work in the brain, recently begun to question long-established theories about the nature of reality? Why are some now even ready to consider the possibility, long ago embraced by shamans, that, far from being “false perceptions”, what we see in the strange imagery and experiences of hallucinations may be real perceptions of other “dimensions” and the beings inhabiting them?
* Why did Nobel Prize-winner Francis Crick keep concealed until his death the astonishing circumstances under which he first “saw” the double-helix structure of DNA? And why did he become convinced that natural laws are unable to explain the mysterious complexity of the DNA molecule itself?
* Why does the 97 per cent of DNA that scientists do not understand – so-called “junk DNA” – contain chemical “sequences” arranged in patterns and frequencies that are otherwise only found in the deep coding of all human languages?
* Could the “supernaturals” first depicted in the painted caves and rock shelters – and still accessible to us today in altered states of consciousness – be the ancient teachers of mankind? Could it be they who first ushered us into the full birthright of our humanity? And could it be that human evolution is not just the “blind”, “meaningless” “natural” process that Darwin identified, but something else, more purposive and intelligent, that we have barely even begun to understand?

Supernatural

These are some of the mysteries at the heart of the quest Hancock unfolds in the pages of his new book Supernatural – a quest that takes him on a journey of adventure and detection from the depths of the Amazon rainforest, to the stunningly beautiful painted caves of prehistoric Europe, and to ancient painted rock-shelters in the remote mountains of South Africa. This is a book of page-turning story-telling with electrifying descriptions of the daunting journey that Hancock must undertake as he drinks hallucinogens with tribal shamans in the Amazon and self-experiments with DMT, psilocybin and the African visionary drug known as Iboga – “the plant that enables men to see the dead.” But Supernatural also has an exciting basis in the latest science – much of it so far largely unknown to the general public. Thus, although the book takes readers into unusual and daring areas of enquiry, and investigates extraordinary possibilities about human origins, and about the nature of consciousness and of reality, the argument is underpinned throughout by the discoveries and views of eminent scientists doing cutting-edge research.

Supernatural is published in the UK on 6 October 2005 and in the US during 2006. Copies can be purchased direct from Amazon.co.uk, see here. Graham Hancock will give a number of lectures at bookshops in cities throughout the UK during October 2005. Details of the lecture schedule will be published and updated here.

There an interview with Mr. Graham Hancock in the new issue of SubRosa e-zine, starting on page 32
http://subrosa.dailygrail.com/PDF/SubRosa_...sue2-Single.pdf

Check out these painting done by Amazonian Shamans of their visions after drinking a brew made of the Ayuasca vine.
http://www.grahamhancock.com/gallery/supernatural/

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It is difficult for those who have not experienced Ayahuasca, or other related shamanic hallucinogens, to visualise the strange parallel realities into which these substances bring us. Fortunately, however, a number of shamans in the Amazon are also gifted artists and have made paintings of their own visions. Through these paintings it is possible for all of us to get some glimpse of the Ayahuasca Otherworld – which, mysteriously, is not a different place for each different individual who drinks Ayahuasca. On the contrary, whether experienced by an Amazonian shaman, or an American lawyer, or a European businessman, or a Japanese fashion designer, the Ayahuasca realm is always recognizably the same place, inhabited by the same intelligent beings with the same mission to teach us important truths about ourselves and the nature of the universe. The Peruvian shaman Pablo Amaringo is the most famous and gifted of Ayahuasca artists working today and has kindly granted us permission to reproduce here a gallery of his paintings. Click on any of the images for a larger view.

HBKSCM · 03-08-2006, 10:19 AM

In the 1990s the evidence of water erosion determined the Sphinx to be built in 6,000 BC to 10,000 BC, as opposed to the previously held 2500 BC dating for the Sphinx

Redating the sphinx-
http://members.aol.com/davidpb4/sphinx1.html

I noticed this site because of the first part, talking about the Re-dating of the Sphinx, but there's a lot of other suff on there too it looks like
http://www.violations.org.uk/index.htm

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On 23rd October 1991, Schoch presented his material to the Geological Society of America, where it was grudgingly accepted rather than embraced

The American Association for the Advancement of Science scheduled a session to debate the issue at its annual general meeting in Chicago on 7th February 1992. Lehner attended along with geologist K. Lal Gauri of the University of Louisville, who had also studied the Sphinx for many years. West also attended and presented his arguments. (17)

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Once again, the water erosion findings were endorsed even though Egyptologists themselves could not bring themselves to accept the implications of this endorsement. The AAAS meeting broke up in words that, according to the New York Times "skated on the icy edge of scientific politeness"

also-
http://www.robertschoch.net/

and-
http://www.jawest.net/

HBKSCM · 03-08-2006, 10:23 AM

http://dudeman.net/siriusly/pyr/giza.shtml

Orion, Taurus, Sirius and The Milky Way
during the Age of Leo ~ circa 10,500 BC

Very ancient people in many different traditions placed very special importance to precessional numbers, and based their practices and monuments on constellations and precession

http://www.math.nus.edu.sg/aslaksen/...ids/page02.htm
http://www.math.nus.edu.sg/aslaksen/...s/page1002.htm

http://www.grahamhancock.com/horizon...l_pyramids.htm

10,500 BC is when orion's belt in the sky aligns with the Pyramids at the lowest point and also, at that point it is a pefect 45 degree angle

the southern shaft points to that constellation
http://www.grahamhancock.com/forum/BauvalR3-p1.htm

Sky and Stars in the Horizon at 10,500 BC

http://s8int.com/AtlantisReborn.html

John Anthony West is a Pythagorean who showed the Sphinx and possibly more of Giza is 12,000 years old
http://www.world-mysteries.com/pex_12.htm

Kaballah also contains the same principles as YHWH, and pythagorean concepts
http://www.prs.org/gallery-kabblh.htm

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The Tetragrammaton

By arranging the four letters of the Great Name, (I H V H), in the form of the Pythagorean Tetractys, the 72 powers of the Great Name of God are manifested.

* = I = 10 = 10
* * = H I = 5+10 = 15
* * * = V H I = 6+5+10 = 21
* * * * = H V H I = 5+6=5+10 = 26
The Great Name of God = 72

HBKSCM · 03-08-2006, 10:24 AM

Astrology

There is something which seperates east and west far in prehistory, concerning prehistoric civilization. But there are still great similarities. Graham Hancock has shown that both traditions are based on precession, that the sky changes by 1 degree every seventy two years.

There's a reson the numbers 72, 108, 36, and Pi come up all over the world, and it's not because Mr. Hancock force fitted it. Those definitely are key numbers to traditions from all over the world. Most Taoist systems are based on combinations of 72 and 36. 72 and 36 come up all the time in Taoism. 108 is a common buddhist number. 72 is also an Essene number. I know that anyways. Thae fact that Mr. Hancock shows that those are also key numbers in Egyt, definitely shows somethig impressive.Tibetan Yoga is based on 144.

The conclusion the evidence leans towards, indicates that ancient Egyptians had their own enlightenment systems, and that they are related to the Essenes, Buddists, and of course Taoists. As Hancock put it, a lost culture of "astronomer preists" who are the foundation of all those cultures.

- 72 is Hancock's "ruling" number because it is an important precessional number. The stars move one degree every 72 years

- 72 is also a key number in all spiritual systems, and so is astrology

- Giza is a representation or actually a "mirrior" of the Milky Way, and Taoist practices are also concerned with the milky way and "mirror" the sky in much the same way. Taoist practices start facing south and "mirrior" the sky in a very similar way.

Graham Hancock showed that the Zodiac, and the knowledge of "precession", existed in ancient Egypt from the earliest times-

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"Precession is the wobble-effect of the earth's axis which makes the stars move one degree every 72 years, or one complete cycle every 25,920 years."

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"As a result, astrologically the sun rises on the spring equinox against a new constellation every 2160 years. Today that constellation is about to be Aquarius, in Roman times it was Pisces. Before that Aries and Taurus. This constellation is considered the "ruling" constellation, with the solsticial and equinoctial constellations forming the "four corners" of the astrological "earth."

Zodiac in Egypt
http://home.maine.rr.com/imyunnut/Den.Round.html
http://www.world-mysteries.com/alignments/mpl_al1.htm

So I can't say for certain that Egyptian and Chinese traditions point to the exact same constellations, but in the sense of mirroring the stars on the ground along a similar axis and course, they are doing the exact same thing just in different parts of the globe. It's also quite possible if you look at the diagrams on Mr. Hancock's site, that the zodiacs and astrology used in Egypt, are based on, planets, Jupiter, and ecliptics, like the chinese Zodiac. I can't say for sure, but it looks like to me the most likely occurence
http://www.fengshuiseminars.com/articles/lopan.html

See this page, it talks about how the Giza pyramids and the chinese Lo Pan both mirror the sky in a similar way. Some Taoist systems are totally astrological, contain 72 sets, and are not to be taught to others until the person has been practicing 70 years

http://www.grahamhancock.com/horizon/bsc-p...ess_release.htm
http://www.valdostamuseum.org/hamsmith/LoPan.html

- Hancock has shown that a certain combination of the 72 temples at Angkor Wat(once thought to be a myth) are mirroring the draco constellation. And that there are 108 buddha statues there which represent the "churning of the milky ocean" and are representing precession
http://www.sacredsites.com/asia/camb...ngkor_wat.html

Here's a critical article on im that still admits there is some substance to his claims-
http://jcolavito.tripod.com/lostcivilizations/id3.html

the reason 144 is base number for all these independant traditions, is due to astrology and precession, interesting.

Here's an image from grahamhancock.com illustrating some aspects at Giza

http://www.grahamhancock.com/horizon/bsc-p...ess_release.htm

Chinese and Tibetan Pyramid. Kunlun mountains area, between China and Tibet

here's a site which compares chinese astrology to the Giza layout a little bit
http://www.valdostamuseum.org/hamsmith/pyramid.html

http://www.grahamhancock.com/horizon/1.htm
http://www.queenofcups.com/AR27article.htm

Precise Astronomical knowledge-
http://www.fengshuigate.com/qimancy.html
http://www.bioching.com/iching/

Chinese Astrology has been shown to also be based on Precession
http://www.jwmt.org/v1n4/readlight.html

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"The McKennas demonstrated this by overlaying the 384 lines of the 64 hexagrams (6 x 64 = 384) on the 13 month lunar calendar (13 X 29.53 days = 383.89 days). They then used these basic units to develop a temporal lock with the solar/sunspot cycle, the Zodiacal Ages, and the length of the Great Year of precessional motion. With the same increment, 64, they found it was possible to assemble a 26 step model of space/time from the size/age of the universe down to Planck's Constant. In this view, the I Ching is a fractal model of all that is, was, or will be. It is also hologramic, in that the piece, the I Ching, contains the information of the whole, the evolving universe."

So Ancient Egyptians, Greeks, and other cultures including the ancient Chinese also retained the knowledge of precession cycles. So even if some constellations are different between east and west, they are both based on jupiter and the same ecliptic, and they are both based on the idea of Precession.

Info on the Falun Pattern. Note that it is compatible with Tao cultivation, and also the order of colors in which it changes. I think the main difference between buddha and Tao cultivation is that a buddha offers salvation to anyone sincere, where only a few pre-destined disciples learn in the lineage of Taoist systems much of the time. It also represents the universe including the Milky Way
http://www.falundafa.org/intro/0-falun.htm

HBKSCM · 03-08-2006, 10:25 AM

Pyramids of Giza

The math of the Egyptian God/Atlantean Thoth. Appears very similar in structure to chinese philosophy

Tablets of Thoth
from "The Keys to Life and death", a part referring to Chakra cutlivation-
http://www.crystalinks.com/emerald.html

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When thou hast learned to hold thine own balance,
then shalt thou draw on the balance of Earth.
Exist then shalt thou while Earth is existing,
changing in form, only when Earth, too, shalt change:
Tasting not of death, but one with this planet,
holding thy form till all pass away.

List ye, O man, whilst I give the secret so that
ye, too, shalt taste not of change.
One hour each day shalt thou lie
with thine head pointed to the
place of the positive pole (north).
One hour each day shalt thy head be
pointed to the place of the negative pole (south).
Whilst thy head is placed to the northward,
hold thou thy consciousness from the chest to the head.

And when thy head is placed southward,
hold thou thy thought from chest to the feet.
Hold thou in balance once in each seven,
and thy balance will retain the whole of its strength.
Aye, if thou be old, thy body will freshen

and thy strength will become as a youth's.
This is the secret known to the Masters
by which they hold off the fingers of Death.
Neglect not to follow the path I have shown,
for when thou hast passed beyond years
to a hundred to neglect
it will mean the coming of Death.

Hear ye, my words, and follow the pathway.
Keep thou thy balance and live on in life."

and The Keys of "Magic"

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When unto thee comes a feeling,
drawing thee nearer to the darker gate,
examine thine heart and find if the feeling
thou hast has come from within.
If thou shalt find the darkness thine own thoughts,
banish them forth from the place in thy mind.

Send through thy body a wave of vibration,
irregular first and regular second,
repeating time after time until free.
Start the WAVE FORCE in thy BRAIN CENTER.
Direct it in waves from thine head to thy foot.

But if thou findest thine heart is not darkened,
be sure that a force is directed to thee.
Only by knowing can thou overcome it.
Only be wisdom can thou hope to be free.
Knowledge brings wisdom and wisdom is power.
Attain and ye shall have power o'er all.

Seek ye first a place bound by darkness.
Place ye a circle around about thee.
Stand erect in the midst of the circle.
Use thou this formula, and you shalt be free.
Raise thou thine hands to the dark space above thee
. Close thou thine eyes and draw in the LIGHT.

Call to the SPIRIT OF LIGHT through the Space-Time,
using these words and thou shalt be free:
"Fill thou my body, O SPIRIT OF LIfe,
fill thou my body with SPIRIT OF LIGHT.
Come from the FLOWER
that shines through the darkness.
Come from the HALLS where the Seven Lords rule.

Name them by name, I, the Seven:
THREE, FOUR, FIVE,
and SIX, SEVEN, EIGHT--Nine.

http://www.prs.org/gallery-kabblh.htm

Yoga
http://www.atlantis.to/Products/about-tibetan-yoga.htm
Meditation
http://www.meditation-techniques.net/
In order to obtain this energy sensation be prepared to find yourself breathing just a few breaths, or as many as 144.
http://www.yoga-tibet.com/starexercise1.htm

The Pyramids of Giza are built along probably a north/south and planetary alignment, and the shafts are directed towards certain constellations. Graham Hancock, Robert Buvaul, and others have shown this. That in itself is also similar to some Asian traiditions.

Chinese and Tibetan Pyramid. Kunlun mountains area, between China and Tibet
http://www.crystalinks.com/pyramidchina.html

Wu Ji, Tai Ji, Yin Yang, 8 trigrams, and Color
http://www.anton-heyboer.org/i_ching/trigr.../archetypes.htm
http://www.biosonic.org/ManualEng/COLORS.html
http://www.msnucleus.org/membership/html/k.../5/asp5_4a.html

Some cool video clips here of 1700 year old qigong school from China and Tibet. It contains 72 sets in total.
http://www.threegeese.com/qipage3.html
http://www.possiblesociety.org/dayanqi.htm
http://www.qimagazine.com/qigong.htm

clips of the cultivation forms-
http://www.qiqigong.com/NewFiles/wildgoose...se1qigong.html#
http://www.customflix.com/Store/Show....jsp?id=206645

Check out how similar the Dayan qigong posture at the very bottom of this page, is to Yoga
http://dayan.oompa.net/qigong-syllabus.html

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7 STAR OPENING GONG: Relates to Big Dipper constellation and North Star. Benefits the joints and kidneys and balances the heart and lungs.

LONG VISION DAN GONG: Develops the 'Sky-Eye' potential.

http://dayan.oompa.net/qigong.html

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Traditionally the skill had been handed down for generations to one person only, and by custom the inheritor was not allowed to pass it on before reaching the age of 70.

That is very interesting considering how concerned this tradition is with astrology, and Mr. Hancock's finding in other areas of the world

I highly suspect that the tradition is because the sky moves on e degree every 72 years. The Grandmaster of Dayan Qigong died at age 108, also not a coincidence

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Dayan Qigong (Wild Goose Qigong) originated from within the Kunlun mountains, to the west of China, north of Tibet during the Jin Dynasty, around 1,800 years ago. Kunlun Shan is traditionally one of China's spiritual mountains. The Daoist monks who resided there developed their Qigong from observing the movements and behaviour of the Wild Geese (known as birds of longevity) which shared the mountains with them. The monks combined their knowledge of Chinese medical principles with the birds' natural movements to create an exceedingly healthy and graceful exercise.

Dayan Qigong contains both vigorous and gentle movements, actions combined with stillness, and beautiful postures. The movements work directly with the acupuncture points and channels, stimulating and opening them, to allow the free flow of Qi. Vigorous movements, including jumping, shaking, slapping, and swooping, release negative Qi while the gentle movements gather fresh Qi. Meditation stores the freshly accumulated Qi.

http://www.world-mysteries.com/mpl_2.htm

Actually it's not just Giza either
http://www.zetatalk.com/theword/tword11t.htm

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the pyramid of Zawyat Al Aryan and the pyramid of Abu Ruwash were reprenting stars in the constellation of Orion, namely Bellatrix and Saiph, and that the two pyramids of Dahshur correlated to two stars in the Taurus-Hyades constellation, namely Aldebaran and Epsilon Tauri.

http://www.teamatlantis.com/yucatan_test/orion3.html

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The core of the Orion-Pyramids correlation theory, which I started to develop in 1983, was based on the pattern of the three stars forming the Belt Of Orion, namely Al Nitak, Alnilam and Mintaka (Zeta, Epsilon and Delta Orionis). This theory was presented during 1983 to 1986 to various eminent Egyptologists and other academics, including Dr. I.E.S. Edwards, Dr. T.G.H. James, Dr. Jaromir Malek, Dr. Cathleen Keller and others. It was subsequently submitted to Dr. Alessandra Nibbi, editor of the Oxford journal Discussion In Egyptology in 1988 and published in Vol. 13, 1989, pp. 7-18 under the title A Master Plan For The Three Pyramids Of Giza Based On the Configuration Of The Three Stars Of The Belt Of Orion.

http://www.zetatalk.com/theword/tword11t.htm

http://www.teamatlantis.com/yucatan_test/orion3.html

Kate Spence also showed astrological alignments that she published in the journal "Nature", but I think Robert Buvaul pointed out a few things that are hipocritical and inconsistent in her work. It seems she basically ripped off Buvaul's theory, but only used alignements that were possible in 4,500 BC and she discarded alignments of the ground plan that match 10,000 BC

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/1024779.stm

Article on it by Mr. Buvaul-
http://www.grahamhancock.com/forum/BauvalR1-p1.htm

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Finally Kate Spence knows, or should know, the ethics of scholarly publication. Her failure to make proper reference to the published works of Dr. Virginia Trimble* and myself (especially because in the latter case the same stellar alignment is used to arrive at practically the same dating of the Great Pyramid) is thus surprising and inexplicable in view of the circumstances. But then the whole approach of the BBC Horizon programme, Atlantis Reborn, in which Kate Spence participated, was most inexplicable as well. The Broadcasting Standards Commission branded this programme’s treatment of my work on the stellar alignments of the Giza Pyramid ‘unfair’. It now remains to be seen how Kate Spence's claims in Nature will fare.

HBKSCM · 03-08-2006, 10:27 AM

Interesting info on the Pyramid
http://www.rickrichards.com/egypt/Egypt6.htm

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Why is the photograph of the cartouche in Figure 4 NOT an accurate representation of the SAME CARTOUCHE as depicted in Figure 3?

Based on Col. Howard Vyse's authentic historical record (dated May 27, 1837) I believe the original cartouche discovered in Campbell's Chamber looked exactly like that drawn in Figure 3 (the glob of paint looks like excess paint to me.)

But why does the modern-day photograph look so different from the original drawing of the same cartouche?

I believe that days or years or centuries or millennia later, someone (Vyse? or a modern-day Egyptian restoration project?) realized the circle needed THREE crosshatches inside it in order to correctly spell the letters "Kh" (as in Khufu) and painted three (3) crosshatches in the circle, the middle crosshatch covering the ORIGINAL DOT in the center, which is depicted in Fig.3. But, while the forger(s?) painted the new crosshatches, they inadvertently made another dreadful mistake -— They didn't quite cover up the entire DOT in the center that was originally drawn! (see Fig.3)

Examine Fig.4 again, this time VERY CLOSELY. The middle crosshatch has a very obvious and suspicious bulge in its center. I believe this bulge WAS originally A DOT at one time, particularly on May 27, 1837 when the historic discovery was first made and recorded (drawn.)

If any of you are wondering about the red, ochre paint used (by Vyse) to paint the inscriptions, interestingly enough, the same red, ochre paint the ancient Egyptians used was still in use in 1837.

Info on the Sphinx's underground tunnels
http://phoenix.akasha.de/~aton/HO-OSIRIS.html

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Dr. Joseph Schor of The Schor Foundation. Schor had obtained an annually renewable five-year license to conduct acoustic and radar surveys on the Giza plateau under the direction of Florida State University. Said had entered into a joint-venture with Schor to film the work for a new documentary.

The sight he saw was very different to the one shown to the world on the FOX TV Special. A pile of muddy debris extended from the eastern side of the room and tapered off at the sides into the water. Towards the centre the partially buried enclosure also full of water broke through the debris. Said’s crew scraped away at the dirt on the chamber’s eastern side to clear a flat area for the camera tripod. It quickly became apparent that a smooth hard surface was becoming exposed. As more was revealed, a dark sarcophagus lid came into view.

vs.

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I have found a shaft, going 29 meters [95 feet approximately] vertically down into the ground, exactly halfway between the Chefren Pyramid [the middle pyramid] and the Sphinx. At the bottom, which was filled with water, we have found a burial chamber with four pillars. In the middle is a large granite sarcophagus which I expect to be the grave of Osiris, the god... I have been digging in Egypt's sand for more than 30 years, and up to date this is the most exciting discovery I have made...

1997, in dirt

vs.

1999, submerged in a pool of water

http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill...eatPyramid.htm

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all three Great Pyramids were constructed within a century. Assuming very low numbers, the pyramids consist of 2.5 million stone blocks for each of the large 2 pyramids, and 1.0 million stone blocks for the small one giving 6.0 million stones to be cut, hauled, shaped, lifted and postioned in 100 years.

6,000,000 blocks / 1200 months = 5000 blocks laid per month

5000 blocks / 30 days per month = 166.6 blocks laid per day

166.6 blocks / 24 hour working day = 6.9 blocks laid per hour

So given very generous figures, the Egyptologists want you to believe that the Egyptions were able to complete (at a bare minimum) 7 stone blocks weighing 2.0-2.5 Tons every hour of every day for 100 years without days off for accidents or bad weather etc, using only primitive stone and copper tools, plant-fiber ropes and wooden sledges.

lol http://www.redmoonrising.com/Giza/OsirisTomb1.htm

News about fraud and corruption in Egypt
http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2005/764/eg4.htm

http://www.keysofenoch.org/html/giza_update.html
http://www.lyghtforce.com/Giza/

HBKSCM · 03-08-2006, 10:28 AM

Unknown symbols in the Pyramid shaft "door"?
http://forums.atlantisrising.com/ubb...c;f=2;t=000539

This could be interesting, Name of God on Pyramid?
http://forums.atlantisrising.com/ubb...c;f=2;t=000542
http://www.mts.net/~perasa/Mysterean.htm

HBKSCM · 03-08-2006, 10:28 AM

http://forums.atlantisrising.com/ubb...;f=14;t=000031

http://www.gizapower.com/

Toto · 03-08-2006, 11:27 AM

Graham Hancock

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Hancock's ideas have been refuted on numerous occasions, most famously by BBC 2's Horizon programme, in a November 4, 1999 broadcast entitled "Atlantis Reborn". This programme detailed his attempts to join the dots on maps of ancient temple complexes to produce outlines of astrological features and pointed out that the same thing could be done using famous landmarks in New York, and with equal justification. It also revealed that Hancock had selectively moved or ignored the locations of the temples to fit his own theories. It further pointed out that Hancock ignored the texts on the temples themselves that explained why and when the temple had been built. Hancock states that he was misrepresented by the programme. He and Robert Bauval made complaints to the Broadcasting Standards Commission against the way BBC programme portrayed them and their work, eight points raised by Hancock, two by Bauval (one of which duplicated a complaint of Hancock's). This included the complaint:

"The programme had created the impression that he [Hancock] was an intellectual fraudster who had put forward half baked theories and ideas in bad faith, and that he was incompetent to defend his own arguments",
to which the BSC adjudicated:

"[The Commission] finds no unfairness to Mr Hancock in these matters".

HBKSCM · 03-08-2006, 11:40 AM

The decision was in favor of Graham Hancock and Robert Buvaul ultimately, the scientists did misrepresent them , and the scientists did have to take it all back. He shows the exact texts he uses, he uses the oldest known surviving texts anywhere in egypt or the world

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HBKSCM Banned Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: canada Posts: 9	Unknown symbols in the Pyramid shaft "door"? http://forums.atlantisrising.com/ubb...c;f=2;t=000539 This could be interesting, Name of God on Pyramid? http://forums.atlantisrising.com/ubb...c;f=2;t=000542 http://www.mts.net/~perasa/Mysterean.htm

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HBKSCM Banned Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: canada Posts: 9	The decision was in favor of Graham Hancock and Robert Buvaul ultimately, the scientists did misrepresent them , and the scientists did have to take it all back. He shows the exact texts he uses, he uses the oldest known surviving texts anywhere in egypt or the world

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