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Enda80 · 07-14-2005, 05:02 PM

Pilate existed according to extra sources, though he is a bit on the other side, as it were. There are probably a few other non-Yahweh worshippers such as Cyrus the Great who wandered into the story who are referenced.

Thomas II · 07-14-2005, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Enda80

Pilate existed according to extra sources, though he is a bit on the other side, as it were. There are probably a few other non-Yahweh worshippers such as Cyrus the Great who wandered into the story who are referenced.

:rolling:

I love it when characteres wander into the story...

"WTF!!...I was just having lunch when all of a sudden I wandered into the story...Who did it this time?...Josephus?...Again?...Well I ought to...

"

Or when the pope(JP II) watches the movie by Mel Gibson and says:
"Yes,that is EXACTLY how it happened...Play it again,Sam..."

It's by now a free for all...Jesus on the potato chip...Mary of the underpass...

Diogenes the Cynic · 07-14-2005, 10:46 PM

Nebudchanezzer, Cyrus, Josiah, Pilate, Annaeus, JBap, Quirinius, the Herods and the Caesars are known to have existed historically. Paul probably existed. There exists an inscription which may or may not contain a reference to a "House of David." There may be a few minor references to other real kings or political leaders that I'm forgetting.

The bottom line is that while some real historical figures are referenced or play secondary roles, virtually none of the primary players of the Bible can be corroborated historically.

S.C.Carlson · 07-15-2005, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Diogenes the Cynic

There exists an inscription which may or may not contain a reference to a "House of David."

Are you talking about the Tel Dan Inscription?

Thomas II · 07-15-2005, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Diogenes the Cynic

Nebudchanezzer, Cyrus, Josiah, Pilate, Annaeus, JBap, Quirinius, the Herods and the Caesars are known to have existed historically. Paul probably existed. There exists an inscription which may or may not contain a reference to a "House of David." There may be a few minor references to other real kings or political leaders that I'm forgetting.

The bottom line is that while some real historical figures are referenced or play secondary roles, virtually none of the primary players of the Bible can be corroborated historically.

EXACTLY!! :jump: And the reason for that is because those are MYTHOLOGICAL characters with allegorical value and maybe even archetypal significance...

Diogenes the Cynic · 07-15-2005, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by S.C.Carlson

Are you talking about the Tel Dan Inscription?

Yes. I've been convinced that it probably does not confirm a historical David, but I included it for the sake of completeness.

Boro Nut · 07-15-2005, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Soul Invictus

Biblical Characters - Which ones have evidence to support their existence

King James.

Boro Nut

S.C.Carlson · 07-15-2005, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Diogenes the Cynic

Yes. I've been convinced that it probably does not confirm a historical David, but I included it for the sake of completeness.

For the sake of completeness, it may also be prudent to keep in mind that some academics have published articles questioning its genuineness (Giovanni Garbini, Russel Gmirken).

Ratel · 07-16-2005, 03:23 PM

I believe there are Assyrian inscriptions referencing King Ahab and Hezekiah. Also there is a bas-relief of Jehu bowing before the Assyrian monarch.

There's something called the Mesha stele which is was written for a Moabite king who I think is mentioned in the Bible- I believe this stele also refers to the Omrides or Omri himself.

S.C.Carlson · 07-16-2005, 05:16 PM

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There's something called the Mesha stele which is was written for a Moabite king who I think is mentioned in the Bible- I believe this stele also refers to the Omrides or Omri himself.

King Omri himself is mentioned on lines 4 and 7 of the Mesha stele.

A recent thread about it on IIDB is here.

Stephen

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07-14-2005, 05:02 PM	#11
Enda80 Regular Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Boston Posts: 190	Pilate existed according to extra sources, though he is a bit on the other side, as it were. There are probably a few other non-Yahweh worshippers such as Cyrus the Great who wandered into the story who are referenced.

07-14-2005, 10:46 PM	#13
Diogenes the Cynic Moderator - Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Twin Cities, Minnesota Posts: 4,639	Nebudchanezzer, Cyrus, Josiah, Pilate, Annaeus, JBap, Quirinius, the Herods and the Caesars are known to have existed historically. Paul probably existed. There exists an inscription which may or may not contain a reference to a "House of David." There may be a few minor references to other real kings or political leaders that I'm forgetting. The bottom line is that while some real historical figures are referenced or play secondary roles, virtually none of the primary players of the Bible can be corroborated historically.

07-16-2005, 03:23 PM	#19
Ratel Regular Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: SD, USA Posts: 268	I believe there are Assyrian inscriptions referencing King Ahab and Hezekiah. Also there is a bas-relief of Jehu bowing before the Assyrian monarch. There's something called the Mesha stele which is was written for a Moabite king who I think is mentioned in the Bible- I believe this stele also refers to the Omrides or Omri himself.

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