mountainman

But we can perhaps ascertain precisely when it was first floated, and by whom. I think it is very important to do this.

stephan huller

Whatever. With the twisted logic you used I am surprised you haven't claimed that Eusebius invented the internal combustion engine. Nothing you've ever 'discovered' can be called 'very important.' 'Very demented' maybe. Why do you continue to pollute these threads with your intellectual gonorrhea?

mountainman

It might have been Ammonius Saccas in the 3rd century who first assembled the gospels and then drew up the Ammonian Tables for all I know.

sotto voce

They're the best sort.

The problem is that the result will not be announced until you are unable to lose your stake. So what you need to do is...

open a Bible!

Horrendous thought. Theology! Aaaargh!

:devil1:

Sheshbazzar

My forensic analysis of this religious shit indicates that 'Bull neck's' holey writ is bull shit

The holey writ of 'ha'SUS', 'The Horse' (Heb) or transliterated to Greek, ea'SUS, is 'The Horse shit.

While the holey writ of Mo'hammy is camel shit.

"A 'horse' is a horse of course of course....."-except- when it isn't.

יהי־דן נחש עלי־דרך שפיפן עלי־ארח הנשך עקבי־סוס ויפל רכבו אחור׃
לישועתך קויתי יהוה׃

"Dan' shall be a serpent by the way, A viper by the path, That bites the horse heels So that its rider shall fall backward:
I have waited for Your Yeshuah, YHWH:" (Gen 49:17-18)

This is an allegorical prediction.
'Dan' is not any individual nor man in this verse, nor any actual 'serpent' or 'viper' (except in effect).
The word/name 'DAN' signifies just judgment. Just judgement will bite, trip up and bring down 'The Horse' and its 'rider'.

The 'horse' is not any actual horse, and its 'rider' is not riding any physical real horse, but a figurative סוס -'SUS', 'Horse',
the same 'ha'SUS', 'The Horse' that occurs in many other prophecies and songs throughout the Tanaka writings.

'Horses' 'chariots' and 'riders' are not always literal, but are by the liberties inherent within Hebrew linguistics, thinly disguised references to a Hebrew conviction that the iconic beliefs of a strong and powerful opposing religious force, along with its religious icon and its 'riders' ('chariots' (rechabim) followers or retinue) will all be brought down.

ha'SUS, 'The Horse' and its 'rider'(s)' has been an anti-Hellenic word play, an insider mockery, and the butt of a Hebrew joke from the time the Tanaka was composed.

שקר הסוס לתשועה וברב חילו לא ימלט׃
'The horse (ha' SUS > ea'SUS > je'SUS) is worthless for salvation, neither shall any be delivered by his power.' (Psa 33:17)


Courtesy of Sheshbazzar The Hebrew.

Roger Pearse

He didn't? <shock>

And surely everyone knows Origen invented the internet?

mountainman

Unconcerned I remain about winning or losing the stake.


My job is just to nail the bet on the doors of the internet.




I have already stated my bible was written by JRR Tolkien.
I read from the hobbit every second day.

mountainman

I was actually holding back in anticipation of supporting your claim that Marcion did that and was a steam ship builder to boot.



But which 3rd century Origen ..... Origen the Christian theologian or Origen the Platonist theologian?


Out of interest we might attribute to one of these Origen's - the one who prepared the Hexapla - one of the oldest exemplars of a multi-column spreadsheet. A multi-column spreadsheet is the precursor to the modern relational database system. Some of these people in antiquity were very intelligent. Did Euclid invent geometry? Probably not, but he was very intelligent in his field.


the Gospel of Barnabas

But back to the Gospel of Barnabas. Who originally authored it and why? What was the purpose of the story, and when has it been attested in the evidential sources? What source texts do we have and where does this new discovery fit in? Has anyone seen any photo's of the pages? Have any translations been made? What about the dating of the "new discovery"?

It is reported to be written in Syriac. What other non canonical books are preserved in this language? AFAIK there are only hypothetical Greek fragments for some of the non canonical books, and that the bulk of the manuscript evidence is either Coptic or Syriac or Latin. Nestorians and Nestorius preserved at least some of their work in Syriac. Where does this codex fit in?

lpetrich

Aside from failing to convince Xians to convert to Islam, there is another way that this find will fail to destroy Xianity.

It's likely too far off in time. It might supply some clues about pre-Constantine Xianity, but that's about it.

What would really be interesting is something like the Dead Sea Scrolls, a find of documents that were written by people who could have personally known Jesus Christ. Like a diary kept by one of Pontius Pilate's assistants.

Dear Diary,

What a big day today. Something happened that made Pontius and the Jewish leaders absolute bosom buddies. I haven't seen such displays of friendship in a long, long time. Some self-styled prophet named Jesus of Nazareth just showed up in Jerusalem claiming to be the legitimate king of the Jews and preaching that God will rain down terrible disasters on everybody but him and his followers. Pontius and the Jewish leaders had a little argument over how to punish him, but they all agreed that he deserved a terrible one, and they settled on crucifying him. Which they did. Now this self-styled king of the Jews is on display for all to see.

sotto voce

There is a difficulty here. I expect you've spotted it. The fellow who pins a parlay to a door has to have support from a Bible...

... and that one won't do. Tolkien wrote neither in Greek nor Hebrew. He had little time for Greek and Hebrew, as it happens. A most unfortunate trait.

Inspiring fine thoughts, I'm sure. But not fine enough, so...

horrendous thought. Theology!

The kings of Rome, the 'republic' of Rome, the empire of Rome, had no use for such a commodity, at any time.