lurker1

Jimmy:
Ahh, but calling a poster a 'motherfucker' is a bannable offence. However, calling them an 'anti-semite' is not. I guess accusations of being an anti-semite aren't offensive... right?

I've noticed that some {Edited} on this board seem to believe that by calling someone an 'anti-semite', their arguments, and the facts they present, somehow become insignificant. Somebody dares challenge that fact that perhaps not all Jews came from Israel? Just call them an anti-semite, and the problem goes away! Somebody feel that it's a little unfair that some Jews use emotional blackmail to steal Arab land? Just call them an anti-semite, and the double-standards (such as the Armenians not receiving their own homeland despite the Turkish genocide) just disappear!

{Edited} parrot 'anti-semite' as though it is some magical shield which somehow nullifies all arguments against Western double-standards and Israeli bullying. {Edited}, I don't hate the Jews. I fully support the rights of the Arabic Jews to live on the same land they have been living on for the past 20 centuries. I fully support giving land to the Israelis, with the consent of the indigenous inhabitants.

When will {Edited} realize that being against the establishment of an Israeli state on Arab land does not make one an anti-semite? Probably never. You'll just keep failing to acknowledge that rational arguments exist against the continuous land grabbing of the Israelis, and keep parroting 'anti-semite'! {Edited}

Jimmy Higgins

In other news today, all of Canada and the United States were booted back to Europe because they had only lived there for 100+ years. The aboriginals are taking back over.

But perhaps, more importantly, maybe if you started a thread on this "issue" and then wrote alot on it, dealing with the research and information, people would see more merit in the post, rather than the intolerant tone that your OP has.

RED DAVE

From that sweetheart lurker1:
I have never so characterized myself. It's a great link, though. I hope you read it.

Why don't you take one major point from the link, quote it and refute it. That's the way we usually debate around here.

When you deomonstrate that you know how to marshall facts and engage is rational debate and not irrational; rants, I'll "discuss" it with you. Start with my suggestion above. And, since you mentioned it, I do consider you an 'anti-semite'.

RED DAVE

IsItJustMe

No... Calling you an anti-semite has content. It can be shown to be justified in an objective sense, and contributes to a reasoned debate. Calling you a motherfucker (which of course I am not doing) would be purely a matter of opinion, and would add nothing.

laughing dog

No one claims that all extant Jews come from Israel. So what? Suppose someone could show that most Arabs originally came from Antartica. Does that mean they should move there? Isreal exists. You don;t have to like that fact, just learn to live with it.

With this thread, and other posts, including the claim that Hitler was the victim of a smearjob, you certainly give a good impression of a Jew-hater.

How generous of you, old chap.


Opposition to Israel is not necessarily anti-semitism. Having a history of threads that, to be kind, are illogical, untrue, and offensive to Jews may lead some to conclude such a poster is anti-semitic.

lurker1

Jimmy Higgins:
Yeah, because I've openly supported the removal of millions of Jews from Israel, right? On the contrary, I support a one-state solution, where Palestinians and Israelis have equal rights.

My OP about Khazaria was just a sarcastic rebuttal to Jews who feel that they have the right to grab even more Arab land due to it being their 'ancesteral homeland'. No, I'm afraid to say that in the majority of cases, it is NOT your homeland.

Red Dave:
WRONG! If you post an article, you summarize the main points which you feel are important. Posting a link and then saying 'Suck on this!' merely demonstrates laziness and ineptitude. I could quite easily cut and paste 10 links supporting the fact that the majority of the Jews coming from Kazaria...

*yawns* Entertain whatever delusions you want. When you demonstrate that you have read the link you posted (by summarizing and discussing), I might make a similiar effort.

To be honest, that's merely your crocodile tear opinion. I've said nothing against the Jewish race, and I challenge you to find ONE insult I have directed at the Jewish community as a whole.

laughing dog:
Ahh, but by demolishing claims that the majority of Jews are not Hebrew, we are also demolishing one of the main excuses used by Israelis to grab even more land, and establish settlements on occupied territory.

Illogical, untrue and offensive, huh? So at no stage did some Zionists collaborate with Hitler? There are no Jews today with Khazarian blood? Have fun proving that my statements are 'illogical, untrue and offensive'. I never knew that daring to suggest that perhaps not all current Jews are Hebrew was an anti-semitic comment. But in today's politically correct society...

Just as I expected, instead of hearing real arguments, I get squawkings of 'anti-semite'. Come on kiddies, prove I'm an anti-semite by showing where I have insulted the Jewish 'race' as a whole. Put up, or shut the fuck up.

RED DAVE

From lurker1:
Title of Thread:
This will do quite nicely.

Now, I've put up. You shut up.

RED DAVE

lurker1

I fail to see how a sarcastic, ironic remark such as 'Go home, Jew...' is an insult against the Jews. Also, you are taking my statement out of context. I was referring to the Khazarian Jews who currently live in Israel, not the true Hebrews. And merely telling someone to 'go home' does not even come close to an insult.

This just looks like another case of somebody trying to find an excuse to parrot 'anti-semite'.

RED DAVE

From lurker1:
Of course you're ingenenously claiming this. The fact is that its provocative and an insult.

Its first context is, unexplained, as the title of this thread. Appearing in such a manner is clearly insulting.

To refer to one group of Jews as "true Hebrews" is antisemitic in and of itself. You just keep shooting yourself in the foot.

Welcome to Fantasy Island.

This just looks like another case of somebody trying to make antisemitic remarks and then denying it.

RED DAVE

lurker1

RED DAVE:
I fail to see how it is an insult against the Jewish 'race'. Saying 'Go home, Jew' is not directed at the entire Jewish 'race', and I later explained the meaning behind my comment. Ripping my statement out of context is dishonest and highly disappointing.

Nonsense. More handwaving by people desperate to demonize those against the butchery of the Israelis.

The only way in which my statement could be seen as an 'insult' is if you believed that 'true Hebrews' are superior to Khazarian Jews, and to call someone a 'lowly' Khazarian Jew is a slur. Oh wait... did I just detect a little pro-semite propaganda in your above statement?

So telling a Nazi who is occupying France to 'Go home to Germany' is an insult? My my, you really are stretching the definition of 'insult'. Whoops, I didn't just insult you, did I?