FRDB Archives

Freethought & Rationalism Archive

The archives are read only.


Go Back   FRDB Archives > Elsewhere > ~Elsewhere~
Welcome, Peter Kirby.
You last visited: Yesterday at 03:12 PM

 
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 09-06-2007, 11:54 PM   #11
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: NW
Posts: 47
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wallybert View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by quantumintegrator View Post
This is an entertaining thread on a christian forum about evolution as well as christians' contempt for science in general. Give it a read if you have a few minutes to spare and tell me what you think:
http://www.jesuspowerchristianforum....read.php?t=489
The ignorance at that site is profound!

If you're "hesrisenagn", you're a far better and patient man than I.
I was just trying to have a conversation with them. It was easy to be patient knowing that the calmer I stayed, the angrier they became. I guess I "outchristianed" them.
quantumintegrator is offline  
Old 09-07-2007, 05:18 AM   #12
Junior Member
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Oceania
Posts: 39
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by quantumintegrator View Post
I was just trying to have a conversation with them. It was easy to be patient knowing that the calmer I stayed, the angrier they became. I guess I "outchristianed" them.
I read the whole thread .

What was amazing, is how they projected their own anger into their interpretation of your posts.

I guess the best way to really piss of a fundy is with calm rational discussion.
Wallybert is offline  
Old 09-07-2007, 10:22 AM   #13
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: NW
Posts: 47
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wallybert View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by quantumintegrator View Post
I was just trying to have a conversation with them. It was easy to be patient knowing that the calmer I stayed, the angrier they became. I guess I "outchristianed" them.
I read the whole thread .

What was amazing, is how they projected their own anger into their interpretation of your posts.

I guess the best way to really piss of a fundy is with calm rational discussion.
Absolutely. A discussion over there always ends up in one of the following ways:
1) Incessant scripture slinging for lack of an argument.
2) They start talking about poop
3) You get banned

Oh and here's what they have to say about us, "I did stop by and found it to be a very childish and self-focused site. It sounds like it's membership is full of teenage haters. Hopefully when these guys eventually grow up and become adults, they will learn how to respect others and their beliefs."
quantumintegrator is offline  
Old 09-07-2007, 02:17 PM   #14
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Winnipeg
Posts: 2,047
Default

Any of you who are playing with fake names or identities on their site, please don't. Truth is the one thing creationism can not afford, so we should use that to our advantage.

At least one of them expressed the view that while facts can't lie, the interpretation of them can. They try to present it as a dispute between fallible humans (scientists) and the Word of God, when it's really a dispute between fallible humans interpreting scientific facts and fallible humans interpreting the Word of God. They like to think God guided their favourite fallible humans. (But strangely did not guide anyone whose interpretation of the Word of God contradicts their own.)


Edit: It looks like they've removed the thread from public view. There was one really nice post near the end, where one guy explained that everything from vaccinations to flouride were conspiracies. It vaguely reminded me of a fella who posted on this forum about scientists trying to poison people because they used to put mercury in fillings. I wonder who found out mercury was poisonous? Priests?
-RRH- is offline  
Old 09-07-2007, 02:36 PM   #15
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: NW
Posts: 47
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by -RRH- View Post
Any of you who are playing with fake names or identities on their site, please don't. Truth is the one thing creationism can not afford, so we should use that to our advantage.

At least one of them expressed the view that while facts can't lie, the interpretation of them can. They try to present it as a dispute between fallible humans (scientists) and the Word of God, when it's really a dispute between fallible humans interpreting scientific facts and fallible humans interpreting the Word of God. They like to think God guided their favourite fallible humans. (But strangely did not guide anyone whose interpretation of the Word of God contradicts their own.)


Edit: It looks like they've removed the thread from public view. There was one really nice post near the end, where one guy explained that everything from vaccinations to flouride were conspiracies. It vaguely reminded me of a fella who posted on this forum about scientists trying to poison people because they used to put mercury in fillings. I wonder who found out mercury was poisonous? Priests?
Yes the thread was an embarrassment for them. Luckily I saved it. The post you are referring to is this, correct?:

Quote:
Quote:
Originally Posted by hesrisenagn:
How about vaccinations against diseases?
Conspiracy.

Weakens the immune system. Can kill you with overload as a baby.



Quote:
Ever take tylenol, advil, aspirin, antibiotics, midol?? Thank science. You can't really believe that you'd rather be without all that science has given us???
Antibiotics, another conspiracy. Especially since they dispense them like candy and now we have "super" bacterias that need stronger and stronger drugs to wipe out. Aspirin--too much and you can bleed to death. Or give yourself an ulcer. Conspiracy.

See, anything out there, satan has put his twist on.

Whether it started out with good intentions or not.

Some say now that cancer treatments are a conspiracy also. Kills you more slowly. But kills ya. Fills you full of toxins and slowly they get you.

Some say vitamins are conspiracy. Lace them with something that your body gets dependent on also...

Oh they're out there. Conspiracies are EVERYWHERE.

Even your toothpaste.

Haven't heard about the flouride conspiracy? It's killing our kids too. Seeps in your bones and messes up your tissues from there.

Yep.

Science and conspiracy.

Let it ruin ya, or call it like it is and run for the hills.

Now, you can thank science for things like anesthesia, which you need when you have major operations, etc. but anesthesia can kill ya too. Side effects can last for years. Oh. And that's if you wake up.

Yep.

It's all a big trap to see which one will kill ya first.

Science.

God's handprint is all over it.

And satan over time takes it and turns it into something it was never intended to be.

Man just either falls for it (like in the garden) hook line and sinker, or man works with it, respects it, and sees it for what it is.

Much different one looks at science, in God's view.

Man's view is so limited.
quantumintegrator is offline  
Old 09-07-2007, 05:09 PM   #16
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Kiwi @ Nexus
Posts: 5,825
Default

Given that this is discussing another forum, it is being shifted to ~E~ from S&S.
Octavia is offline  
Old 09-08-2007, 06:17 AM   #17
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: atlanic coastal plain
Posts: 21
Default

Some more gems from the discussion over there. This is how they view scientists.


"Science as far as I'm concerned, has only made the world a worse place for human life." - Archangel

"Most are puffed up with their knowledge, they will argue "findings" till they are blue in the face, and will debate any creationist anytime, anywhere because they like to look smart."
- Sheep of El

"Many of them are quite arrogant and hesitant to admit that they
maybe wrong..." - JADE

"But your "genuineness" of scientists don't want to entertain the
though that God might have had something to do with it so they created a definition of science that excludes anything they don't want to discuss." - JADE

"Then they would allow discussion of other possibilities than the
ones they have deemed "FACT". If they truly wanted to look for natural truth, they would not work so hard to block, ridicule and censor it. They would be more mature and discuss it like adults."
- JADE

"The problem we have is that scientists have came up with a
definition of fact that allows them to say they have found "THEE" answer and we must bow to their interpretation of face ridicule. They don't allow any other ideas to even be discussed because they don't want their sacred cow killed. The circle their wagons and silence the disbelievers through censorship." - JADE

"Just the fact that scientists have created their own version and
definition of "fact" shows that. Their constant drumbeat that a theory is a fact also implies that science is infallible. They have set their own rules to allow for inroads to excuses for why they are still correct even when the true facts show they are not. That means they believe they are infallible and they make every attempt to protect their theories even when they are obviously incorrect." - JADE

"They teach stuff like man from monkey or chimp as if it was a fact,then they change from monkey or chimp to apes as they find they were wrong. Then since they realize that all of these and some of the future assumptions are suspect to change, they use "common ancestor" to cover a wide field of creatures. But they are still not letting loose the belief that somehow we are related to apes." - JADE

"The textbooks I studied from proclaimed that the big bang was the starting cause of natural selection.Just one of the many claims of "science" that has changed over the years."
- Sheep of El
fundielove is offline  
 

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 09:41 PM.

Top

This custom BB emulates vBulletin® Version 3.8.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2015, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.