GakuseiDon

There was a view that the gods WERE just people on earth around whom had gathered legends and myths. Jupiter, for example, was said to have been buried in a tomb in Crete according to some traditions.

Tacitus dates the Exodus to the time of the reign of Jupiter:
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/...y/tacitus.html

Some say that the Jews were fugitives from the island of Crete, who settled on the nearest coast of Africa about the time when Saturn was driven from his throne by the power of Jupiter. Evidence of this is sought in the name. There is a famous mountain in Crete called Ida; the neighboring tribe, the Idaei, came to be called Judaei by a barbarous lengthening of the national name. Others assert that in the reign of Isis the overflowing population of Egypt, led by Hierosolymus and Judas, discharged itself into the neighboring countries.

Tharmas

The wars between the Gods and the Titans are well known (see for example Hesiod IIRC) but do not imply that either were human. Your quote mentions no “tomb in Crete.”

RPS

We must not be communicating clearly because I don't understand what you're getting at. We know what the words translated brother of the Lord commonly meant during that time -- that's why translation is possible. If you want to assert that there was a special or secret meaning to the words or that it was a term of art, then it's your burden to establish that.

Vorkosigan

THE JESI CONTINUUM
Chapter 14

TODAY'S EPISODE IS BROUGHT TO YOU BY BOB JONES UNIVERSITY, DEDICATED TO BRINGING OUR WORLD AND THE JESI CONTINUUM INTO PERFECT ONE-TO-ONE ALIGNMENT.


....."Woe!" I said to myself, realizing that my Gate had failed and I was trapped in the Jesi Continuum, perhaps forever. I retrieved my canteen from my belt and took a swig, then spit it out abruptly. The water had changed to wine.

I tried the Transdimensional Communicator, but all I got was static. I was separated from my family. Looking wildly from side to side, I realized with a start that all my friends had fled, too. Just where was I?

Peering through the gathering darkness, I saw that I was standing in level area covered with orderly arrangements of plants, probably a garden. A steep slope revealed itself, falling away to a river a few score feet below. There would be no scrambling down that way. The night wind, picking up as the temperature fell, tossed the branches of the trees about, dropping tiny fruits at my feet with miniature thuds. Bending, I snagged one and brought it to my lips. Olives!

In a flash I apprended my predicament! Even as I stood there, every nerve on end, in the distance I saw an armed mob approaching, long robes and togas flickering in the uneven torchlight.....


TUNE IN NEXT WEEK FOR CHAPTER 15 OF THE JESI CONTINUUM STARRING BRAD DOURIF AS "THE TRAVELER" AND GRACE PARK AS "A WOMAN NAMED MARY".
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Doug Shaver

I haven't seen that argument before, but I like it. I like it a lot.

Doug Shaver

Do we know that in the Christian community of ca. 50 CE, "the Lord" commonly meant "Jesus of Nazareth"?

RPS

Depending upopn how one dates the Pauline canon we do. See, e.g., 1 Cor. 9.

post tenebras lux

1 Cor. 9? 1 Cor. 9:5?RPS, so who are 'the brethren of the Lord' in this verse, please?

Vivisector

It might be more to the point to ask, did "the Lord" mean "Jesus of Nazareth" to Paul?

In Galatians itself, Paul uses the term "Lord Jesus Christ" three times. This is not exactly the same as if Paul had said "Lord Jesus of Nazareth," but then again, Paul nowhere associates Jesus with Nazareth or even Galilee. Seems to me that one can take the position that Paul was referring to James as the brother of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Cheers,

V.

RPS

Based on Mark 6:3, some combination of James, Joseph, Judas and Simon.