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02-12-2012, 05:06 PM | #261 | |
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And then again in Eusebius's Demonstatio Evangelica:
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This is same old fashioned nonsensical interpretation of something so simple where an angel speaks on behalf of God, reciting his words on his behalf. Nothing mysterious about this at all.....
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Philo is our earliest comprehensive explanation of the Pentateuch and it is shocking that he should think that Jacob experiences 'successive' back to back revelations of the 'Lord' and then 'God' in Genesis. All the Church Fathers agree that Jesus is the 'God' of Genesis 28. The kabbalists call him 'yesh' but it is the same thing IMO (= yeshu). The part I don't get is where God formerly revealed himself as Lord to Jacob. Genesis 28 is the Jacob's theophany.
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I cannot answer for Philo's ideas, ideology or interpretation. He is neither Rashi, Nahmanides, Maimonides, a Targum, a Midrash, Rabbi Chaim Ben Attar, Malbim , Rabbi David Kimchi, or Don Yitzchak Abarbanel.
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From the Sanctum Pascha
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02-12-2012, 09:03 PM | #267 |
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My god. One has to wonder how many different ancient religious fables and traditions needed to be raided to put that particular block of syncretised religious gibberish together.
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But your desire to make religion about something firm is what is the problem. many atheists think that by debating apologists they're getting at the truth of religion. But this kind of dishonesty is displayed by both sides. the jewish religion is about reconciling a non existent God with a physical universe. god create out of nothing because he is non existent. we see this in philo it continues through the christian heretics and then the jewish mystics. whether you like it or not it is what it is or in fact it is what it isnt ie a godhead rooted in in something other than being and existence
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I well recognize that religion has always existed as an amorphous pile of half-digested straw suspended in the glutinous slime of currently popular opinion and flights of fancy.
Why anyone would build their imaginary castles and kingdoms out this steaming pile of shit is something they alone can pretend to answer. Meanwhile I don't build with it, just observe its composition and its consistency, while shoveling it aside to reach its bottom, and clear a path forward through it. |
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