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ps418 · 10-02-2003, 04:58 AM

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Originally posted by Darth Dane
As said ps418, the first teachers taught by word of mouth. They have been around for 5000+ years. I'll do some research

So you say, and you may be right for all I know, but the point is, you don't really know that yoga of the type outlined, say, by Patanjali has been around for 5000+ years. All you can say with any confidence is that the tradition predates by an unkown length of time the first texts.

Patrick

Darth Dane · 10-02-2003, 05:11 AM

So you say, and you may be right for all I know, but the point is, you don't really know that yoga of the type outlined, say, by Patanjali has been around for 5000+ years. All you can say with any confidence is that the tradition predates by an unkown length of time the first texts.

That is true, but the yogic saying is not a type of yoga.
Of course I can't say that it is 5000+ in that sense, because we lack evidence.

The saying is subcurrent "Yoga" if you take my meaning.

ps418 · 10-02-2003, 05:40 AM

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Originally posted by Darth Dane
That is true, but the yogic saying is not a type of yoga.
Of course I can't say that it is 5000+ in that sense, because we lack evidence.

Which reminds me . . . what makes 'god is the unmoved mover' a yogic saying? That's sounds like a distinctly western utterance, and I never read such in any 'yogic' text.

Patrick

Darth Dane · 10-02-2003, 05:49 AM

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Which reminds me . . . what makes 'god is the unmoved mover' a yogic saying? That's sounds like a distinctly western utterance, and I never read such in any 'yogic' text.

I'll do some research.

Soul Invictus · 12-12-2003, 05:19 PM

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Originally posted by Per
Another pretty cool illusion. This one doesn't move around though.

I must be plumb dumb...I cannot see them with the same color.

Jesse · 12-12-2003, 05:29 PM

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Originally posted by Soul Invictus
I must be plumb dumb...I cannot see them with the same color.

That's the point. The two squares in that picture look like they're different colors to everyone, but it's an illusion--if you go to a paint program and cut and paste a swatch from each and put them next to each other, you'll see they really are the same color. Or you can just look at this page which has some demonstrations that they're the same:

http://sparcs.kaist.ac.kr/~tinuviel/...kershadow.html

Static version:

Animated version:

Goliath · 12-12-2003, 09:04 PM

I like this illusion!

Sincerely,

Goliath

PS I still can't see the boat, though!

davidm · 12-13-2003, 06:54 PM

rlogan · 12-13-2003, 08:31 PM

Haw! That checkered shadow illusion is a hoot! I wonder if it matters that the cylinder is green.

The one counting the black dots has no dots, right?

The first one is moving in the peripheral. Now, I'm going to guess that since the brain is actively processing signals in real time that certain stimuli like complementary colors interfere or modify in some way the processing of information. Note that when we watch real movement it does not "hurt" to see it. But staring at the first illusion "hurts". So it seems to me there is some scrambling of the signals going on that our brains object to.

treat2 · 12-14-2003, 05:07 AM

Unfortunetly, it didn't move for me. However, as to the reason for why it moves, I would venture a guess that it has to do with how fast your eyes can trasmit the information to your brain, and your brain can provide you with a mental image of a complex set of images that it is in the process of recreating, as you shift your eyes.

More specifically, I would think that there is a reeidual overlap of the complex image in your brain that is not entirely "cleared" from your brain, as it receives the next image of what your eyes are seeing is you shift them slightly from one position to another.

A sort of double or superimposed image results and gives the appearance of motion, as your brain is "clearing" out a previous image, while at the same time, it is prodicing and has produced the next image that your are seeing, in a slightly different position.

It's just a guess, but it would seem to be logical if you work with computers, as I do.

12-14-2003, 05:07 AM	#50
treat2 Banned Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: NYC, U.S.A. Posts: 121	Re: a guess as to why it moves Unfortunetly, it didn't move for me. However, as to the reason for why it moves, I would venture a guess that it has to do with how fast your eyes can trasmit the information to your brain, and your brain can provide you with a mental image of a complex set of images that it is in the process of recreating, as you shift your eyes. More specifically, I would think that there is a reeidual overlap of the complex image in your brain that is not entirely "cleared" from your brain, as it receives the next image of what your eyes are seeing is you shift them slightly from one position to another. A sort of double or superimposed image results and gives the appearance of motion, as your brain is "clearing" out a previous image, while at the same time, it is prodicing and has produced the next image that your are seeing, in a slightly different position. It's just a guess, but it would seem to be logical if you work with computers, as I do.

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10-02-2003, 05:11 AM	#42
Darth Dane Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Required Posts: 2,349	So you say, and you may be right for all I know, but the point is, you don't really know that yoga of the type outlined, say, by Patanjali has been around for 5000+ years. All you can say with any confidence is that the tradition predates by an unkown length of time the first texts. That is true, but the yogic saying is not a type of yoga. Of course I can't say that it is 5000+ in that sense, because we lack evidence. The saying is subcurrent "Yoga" if you take my meaning.

12-12-2003, 09:04 PM	#47
Goliath Banned Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Fargo, ND, USA Posts: 1,849	I like this illusion! Sincerely, Goliath PS I still can't see the boat, though!

12-13-2003, 06:54 PM	#48
davidm Banned Join Date: May 2002 Location: New York City Posts: 1,617

12-13-2003, 08:31 PM	#49
rlogan Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Alaska Posts: 9,159	Haw! That checkered shadow illusion is a hoot! I wonder if it matters that the cylinder is green. The one counting the black dots has no dots, right? The first one is moving in the peripheral. Now, I'm going to guess that since the brain is actively processing signals in real time that certain stimuli like complementary colors interfere or modify in some way the processing of information. Note that when we watch real movement it does not "hurt" to see it. But staring at the first illusion "hurts". So it seems to me there is some scrambling of the signals going on that our brains object to.

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