Rancid

I�ve read or heard somewhere that in order for Noah�s light spring sprinkle to erode the Grand Canyon (beautiful place, btw) the water would have had to travel at super-sonic speeds to cut through the rock, epically the Precambrian strata where the river is now. Wouldn�t that be fun? Has anybody else run across that? Does anybody have a link that�s not a creationist propaganda machine?

Thanks in advance!

Doubting Didymus

Let me get this straight. You want a link to a claim that the generally accepted geological theory for the formation of the grand canon is actually stupidly and obviously flawed, but that doesn't come from a creationist site?

sakrilege

I think Rancid wants a site that accurately calculates necessary conditions for the Grand Canyon to have been carved in 40 days.

enigma555

Oh, that calculation is easy: Godditit!

Undercurrent

It's actually very feasible once you realize that before the flood, all of that precambrian strata was made entirely out of feta cheese, which crumbles easily under even the slightest pressure. It was only after the flood that God transmogrified it into rock as additional punishment for the wickedness of man.

faust

From this excellent refutation of grand canyon YEC claims

The author quotes a claim by a YEC:
" "Another fascinating mystery is why there were animals leaving footprints so late in the flood � Dinosaur tracks, which are often found in the Morrison formation, are located at even higher levels in the geologic strata. It would appear that some animals were able to escape the water until later in the flood. Many were strong swimmers but they may have migrated to higher ground or clung to floating vegetation and were killed later as the waters finally reached them. Dr. John Baumgardner, a research scientists at Los Alamos National Laboratory, has suggested that circulating water inundating the continents may have formed giant whirlpools with dry floors near the center until late in the flood. This may have allowed animals near the center of the continents to initially escape the flood waters but were then overwhelmed when the events of the flood reached their zenith." (Vardiman, 1999, p. 17) "

He discusses the implication here:
"The Morrison Formation occurs approximately 3,000 m above the Precambrian crystalline basement rocks. As fossils of these dinosaurs are absent from the intervening strata, apparently none of them lacked the necessary agility to escape. This is surprising because a simple calculation of the centripetal force necessary to sustain a whirlpool three km deep and with a radius of three km requires that the water at its base would have to rotate at a linear velocity of more than 30,000 km per hour! Bigger whirlpools require bigger velocities. We see footprints of fast-moving dinosaurs, but where are the footprints of these supersonic whirlpools?"

Rancid

Yes! Should have said it in the OP - I've tried to google it, but the first 10 billion links are creationist sites.

Doctor X

Should be pretty easy . . . if you assume a Capt. Kirk and the ship's phasers are set to "landscape."

This is sort of a "duh" thing to me. I have had debates on, for example, the Flood. I will get in to such stuff as "derivative of earlier myth," or "there are competing myths," and "how did the platypus make it back to Australia and who carried the Ebola?" Someone here over on BH&C calculated the literal rain fall--to get all that water . . . what is it? Twice the amount the Earth has? . . . to get all that water down in 40 days . . . give or take the water "coming up" from the "caverns" that, for some reason, no longer exist.

Basically, you flatten the Earth. "Duh!" I thought, "why did I not think of that!"

So . . . unless you have a "canyon shaped cloud" sitting over the area drilling out the canyon everything would have been flattened. Actually, the thread may have moved here.

--J.D.