yummyfur

No problem, the immensely huge, convaluted and inbreeding Herod Family, is enough to drive anyone insane trying to keep track of

The death of the innocents story would be a problem for the claim of Jesus being a child of Antipater, if Herod knew about him. It would mean that Herod did not think the child should rule or be part of his inheritance, ergo Pilate wouldn't consider such a child to have even a vague legitimate claim, and probably consider such a person to be a severe threat to peace. All that matter's is Herod's will and Augustus's execution of said will.

Herod's final will makes Archelaus King, and Herod Antipas and Herod Phillip Tetrarchs, though Augustus never allowed the title of King to be enforced for Archelaus, as the title did not just require Herod's will but also Augustus's
consent. Even in a previous will, Herod had designated Antipater as heir, but Herod Philip as heir if Antipater was to die first, and at this time Antipater had at least one son, so it is clear that Herod did not intend for Antipater's offspring to be heirs if Antipater was not.

The book seems to claim that Antipater was married to a Marianme, does anyone know where this comes from, as I don't think Josephus says anything about who his wives are by name, and only mentions one daughter, who was to be married to Aristobulus's(Antipater's executed half brother) eldest son and a son who was to be married to Aristobulus's daughter. This was changed before it happened, and Antipater himself married Aristobulus's daughter(though Josphus doesn't say which of the two he married) and his son married a daughter of Pheroras.

This means that Antipater had a wife and children before he married Aristobulus' daughter. One of Aristobulus's daughter was named Marainme(possibly, there is some confusion in Josephus on the names of Aristobulus's daughter's), but Josephus doesn't tell us if it was this one, at least that I can find.

orac

My favourite theory is that mary was a dock worker :devil3:

A more likely idea is that Jesus's biological father, Frodo's biological father, and Scooby Doo's biological father are in fact all the same person.

(i.e. they're fictional characters, therefore they don't actually have biological fathers.)

Working out who Jesus's daddy "really" was first requires some evidence that Jesus existed in the first place - and until that shows up, the whole debate is, at best, nothing but suppositions built upon unfounded assumptions. (For example, debating the motivation of the wide scale murder of children would best be done with some evidence that this even occured, no? Maybe I'm wrong?)

Either that or he was an illegal immigrant from Mexico.

offa

Jesus was born two years before Herod the Great died in the Spring of 4 b.c. Jesus became a "One Year Old Child" in A.D. 6 which was the year of Augustus' census. When Jesus became a 12 year old Child in A.D. 17 Joseph (Cleophas) was still alive. Joseph was killed by Pilates soldiers during the re-routing of a stream the led to the "other Jerusalem" in A.D. 23.

offa

Thomas II

Hmm...Interesting concept...

yummyfur

I agree, but when you can show that someones arguments don't make sense, even with their unproven and possibly incorrect assumptions taken as true, so much the better.

Frikki

The true father of Jesus was Hamed the goat milk deliveryman :Cheeky:

Tholzel

Well, this new book would say that Antipater was Jesus' father and, after being killed by his own father, Herod, Mary then remarried and had subsequent children by Joseph. Thus James would have been Jesus' half-brother.

Hmmm. Is it possible that Joseph of Aramathia is Jesus; mother's husband...?

Dr_Paine

Why reach for complex theories when the most obvious one will suffice? Joseph was likely the father of Jesus. Consider the genealogies of Jesus through Joseph listed in the "gospels.�

While I reject the fabulous claims :down: of these retrospective texts, I see no reason to doubt their veracity on such a prosaic matter.

Thomas II

Joseph was about to divorce Mary when he found out she was pregnant...
He knew he was not the father...

Dr_Paine

As I have no faith in the divine authorship of the Bible, "I have no horse in this race." However, one wonders why the reference to Joseph in the genealogy of Jesus. :huh: