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Old 05-15-2006, 04:59 PM   #31
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Excellent collection of pictures. Good visual aid for argument.

Do you have the Athens picture? -Never mind, I see you have a link to it.
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Default debate tonite .. Michael Brown, Darrell Bock, Shmuley Boteach

Hi Folks,

Just a little aside.
A debate on the DaVinci Code nonsense is on the web tonite,
for another hour or two.
http://www.dts.edu/utility/davincidebateny/
or first go to
http://www.davincidebateny.com/

Interesting group of speakers, especially Michael Brown
(also speaking .. Darrell Bock and Shmuley Boteach)

Shalom,
Steven Avery
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Messianic_Apologetic
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Old 05-15-2006, 05:08 PM   #33
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Hey Prax. Welcome back. Where ya been?
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To be fair, becoming a solitary might have been a position of more ease and freedom than the alternative in Christendom.
You must have had a rough life to write something like that.
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Come on guys! It's one thing to nitpic the errors of fact in the book (hell I love doin that with action/adventure novels), but to lose all respect for a novellist because he used some poetic license to spice up the story... in an action/adventure novel?
I would've agreed with you, until I remember Michael Crichton's State of Fear. Hiding behind the banner of fiction and poetic license, while at the same time advocating alternative history or science, is a deplorable tactic.
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Old 05-16-2006, 10:33 AM   #36
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Come on guys! It's one thing to nitpic the errors of fact in the book (hell I love doin that with action/adventure novels), but to lose all respect for a novellist because he used some poetic license to spice up the story... in an action/adventure novel? A work of fiction that is supposed to be spiced up? come on....
I might agree with that if Brown hadn't started the book off by saying "all descriptions of artwork, architecture, documents [...] and secret rituals in this novel are accurate." And then right away he claims as fact that "The Priory of Sion—a European secret society founded in 1099—is a real organization."

I never got past the first 10 pages because the writing was too painful.
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I might agree with that if Brown hadn't started the book off by saying "all descriptions of artwork, architecture, documents [...] and secret rituals in this novel are accurate." And then right away he claims as fact that "The Priory of Sion—a European secret society founded in 1099—is a real organization."

I never got past the first 10 pages because the writing was too painful.
Actually, from what I've been able to find out, there was an organization called the Priory of Sion founded in the middle ages (maybe 1099) by the Catholic Church, making it European, but I haven't found whether it was secret. But that organization dissolved a loooooong time ago. And then in 1956 that Plantard character (the guy credited with perpetrating the Holy blood story) created a new version which since lay dormant as far as anyone knows.

So I'm not sure what your --'s mean in that quote, are they in the original or are you using them as elipses? But as it stands it's at least a bit misleading especially using the word "is".
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Come on guys! It's one thing to nitpic the errors of fact in the book (hell I love doin that with action/adventure novels), but to lose all respect for a novellist because he used some poetic license to spice up the story... in an action/adventure novel? A work of fiction that is supposed to be spiced up? come on....
I might agree with that if Brown hadn't started the book off by saying "all descriptions of artwork, architecture, documents [...] and secret rituals in this novel are accurate." And then right away he claims as fact that "The Priory of Sion—a European secret society founded in 1099—is a real organization."

I never got past the first 10 pages because the writing was too painful.
Whose writing on the same storyline do you not find "too painful"? Are you sure it is not simply he upsets your sensibilities and beliefs?
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Whose writing on the same storyline do you not find "too painful"? Are you sure it is not simply he upsets your sensibilities and beliefs?
I can't speak for him, but I've heard from tons of people that the actual quality of writing in the book is atrocious. Unfortunately I can't testify to that myself, having never read a significant enough portion of the book.
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The quality of the writing is not that bad, as I recall, but the characterizations are cardboard and 2 dimensional, and the story is definitely lacking as a thriller.
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