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Corwin · 10-07-2004, 09:50 PM

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you reckon, well imagine an army in a battle consisting people who has a certain common belief, this common belief is what caused the war,since the other side, enemy has another belief, so when you change your belief you then become part of the enemy, hence traitor.

Thing is... you aren't BORN into an army.

If you want to leave a religion that you were raised in, that's your business. You have no right to call such a person a traitor. Did they ASK to be born into your silly little cult?

queser · 10-07-2004, 11:43 PM

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sphinx wui]if you can call somebody natural born atheist, it will be me.

I didn't make a deconversion decision cause actually i have never been a religious person in my life and if you expect me to tell you a melodramic deconversion story, sorry to disappoint you, i don't have one.

thanks this is ok, just like the truth dramatic or not.

meaning you got some basic islam education though always thought it was trap?

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If you want to ask more specific questions i will be more than happy to answer them and if you read Arabic and want to read some stories here is the link to an atheist Arabic site

sound like you never actually deconverted because you never really accepted islam.

are there many people like you in egypt?

personally i met a few people like this from iran and from other eastern european countries, like bosnia and turkey.

queser · 10-07-2004, 11:48 PM

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=Corwin]Thing is... you aren't BORN into an army.

sometimes this may happen, do i really need to explain this possibility to you ?

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If you want to leave a religion that you were raised in, that's your business. You have no right to call such a person a traitor. Did they ASK to be born into your silly little cult?

i was explaining the apostate who is a traitor in an army, there are other types of apostates and each is dealt with individually.

its not my fault if you fail to see this and prefer to stereotype everything due to your lack of knowledge

ayman · 10-08-2004, 12:32 AM

Over and over again, Islam does respect freedom of choice, freedom of thinking, freedom of expression and freedom of action, the only conditions do not violate the right of others, do not violate the common shared resources and do not violate the natural behavior.

sphinx wui · 10-08-2004, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by ayman

Over and over again, Islam does respect freedom of choice, freedom of thinking, freedom of expression and freedom of action, the only conditions do not violate the right of others, do not violate the common shared resources and do not violate the natural behavior.

Over and over again, what you are saying is an unsubstantiated claim and repeating it will not make it true.

sphinx wui · 10-08-2004, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by ayman

do not violate the natural behavior.

what you mean by natural behavior?

kjartan · 10-09-2004, 07:47 AM

I do accept peoples right to be a muslim or a christian, but I do not accept its preachings.... I find it stupid to believe in such a fairytale... and I dont accept that these religious people think they have the right to take away basic freedoms from women and other groups such as gay people.
And I find Islam to be a even worse religion than christianity in that respect..

queser · 10-09-2004, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by kjartan

I do accept peoples right to be a muslim or a christian, but I do not accept its preachings.... I find it stupid to believe in such a fairytale... and I dont accept that these religious people think they have the right to take away basic freedoms from women and other groups such as gay people.
And I find Islam to be a even worse religion than christianity in that respect..

substantiate else your words are nothing but dust in the wind

sphinx wui · 10-09-2004, 05:17 PM

Out of curiosity queser, are you Shia?

queser · 10-09-2004, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by sphinx wui

Out of curiosity queser, are you Shia?

i am muslim, i believe there is one god With the name in Arabic Allah and that the Pophet Muhammad PBUH is the final Messenger.

i believe in the Quran as the last revelation .

i dont follw any sect or group.

why do you ask?

10-09-2004, 07:47 AM	#197
kjartan Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: norway Posts: 663	accept I do accept peoples right to be a muslim or a christian, but I do not accept its preachings.... I find it stupid to believe in such a fairytale... and I dont accept that these religious people think they have the right to take away basic freedoms from women and other groups such as gay people. And I find Islam to be a even worse religion than christianity in that respect..

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