Lola

Heya, George!

Oh...heck ya.....this site can be quite addictive especially when you start a post since it's fun to read other comments.

George, you are a very deep, serious person and of course, very intelligent. Would it be fair to say that I am picking up on some negativity and somberness from you? How many times during the day do you laugh? I mean like a good guffaw where you just feel happy?

There are many threads here showing genuine support and concern for other posters that you have not seen. I wish you could have "met" our dear Allan (WinAce) he was postive, energetic, fun, wise, loveable.....and maintained this attitude while he knew he was dying. He touched tons of lives in a very good way--and I don't think he ever even reached his 22 birthday. We miss him.

I reckon my point is that if you look for and show support and love, you will, indeed, get it. If you look for disharmonies, depravity, lostness, you will get that, too. So........in my humble opinion, George, I believe your attitude is showing.

Kind regards, :wave:
Lola

PS--Prophesy? Hmm...... I'm not sure where you were going with your title for the thead.

georgek

These are people with no hope dredging the nets of obscurity.
They sow their own seed of misfortune.
Command of respect offers no frailty to the mouths of the sprats.
Nor can they see the grapes from the leaves that the sun has nurtured.

Can a sprig of hope nourish from the fruit of the vine that the sun has darkened ?
Or that the eyes of the lame.... see that they shall walk?

Cursed be the fruit that bear fruit that the fool shall make his vine.
To nurture the ground of ill repute that they grow strong!

Did you see my question to you on my last post by the way?

Bright Life

Well, this is oh so loungey...

NOT.

*poof*

Spanky

Yes


Yes


Are you for real? Or maybe just Hooboy! under another name and under a different ideology?





www.deveryharpermusic.com

David B

What happened to my faith, you mean?

Such as it was, it slipped away as it became more and more apparent that I was being, by accident and/or design, misled.

Then I found a few web sites that made a lot of sense - though that is not to say that I believe uncritically everything they say.

http://skepdic.com/

http://www.randi.org/

And, particularly relevant to what I had fallen into

http://www.suggestibility.org/index.htm

Then a lot of converstion at a now pretty moribund, but at one time very vibrant discussion board called 'The Godless Zone', followed by further discussions here have led me to my current position of accepting a naturalistic world view, and, further, of seeing faith based world views as being, to a greater or lesser degree, bad things for the people who have such views, for the people around them, and for the world in general.

David B

georgek

No....but I AM NOW

georgek

Yer.....

So I am right.

Again and again.

So you lost your faith like I did say?

and what about a negative mystical side ?

and what made you change ?

David B

Didn't you say you wouldn't be claiming hits?

I never had much faith, anyway, to start. I just suspended disbelief, in order to explore alternatives, and got let astray by what boils down to being hypnotised, in a way that seemed real to me at the time. Experinces can be unreliable, if one doesn't do the occasional reality check.

You see, George, I firmly believe that people can get deep experiences from, to give a few examples, if cathoilic, a pilgrimage to Lourdes or seeing the pope, if protestant, something like the Toronto Blessing, if Hindu from going to a mela, or receiving darshan from a guru, if Islamic, from a haj - and so on.

But without objective back-up for those experiences, I think they are bettr taken with a pinch of salt.

Your claimed intuitional hits seem to me to be completely consistent with confirmation bias. I did post a link to what that meant, but somehow I suspect that you are too full of your own opinions to have actually bothered to read it.

While claims to have premonitions are out of kilter with science as we know it. Now I don't claim that science is infallible or complete, but it is good enough to get us to the moon, to understand the age of the earth, and to understand pretty well the origin of species.

So I would claim that anything that is inconsistent with such science is an extraordinary claim, and extraordinary claims need extraordinary evidence to back them up.

And neither you, nor anyone else AFAIK, has provided any.

I don't know what you mean by a negative mystical side.

And, if you read what I've said, and followed the links, you would understand better how I escaped.

Seriously, I suggest you learn a bit about critical thinking, from the links I've provided, and then consider if you mightn ot be wiser to learn the same lessons as I have.

David B (also wonders if you've ever come across the expression 'Asperger Syndrome')

georgek

I am not claiming hits.


Was curious why you were avoiding my questions. It is understandable that they may be of a personal nature, but it would nice to know why every time I hit upon something, the board goes quiet.


Yet when I get it right and make a mistake regarding detail, I get half a dozen jackals on my tail.
The questions were simple, but instead I am requested to read about something that goes off in a tangent about how a person thinks. I literally have no time to read page after page of script , having asked you two simple questions. If that makes me unreasonable...well so be it!

As you fail to have respond, let me take the point further:-
The thing that makes you different to these other jackals, is that you have a deep conscience. So you still retain an essence of ethic(which I suppose your pages will explain this)


You cannot lie to me, so you evade the question.
To answer my questions would put you in bad favour with your collaborators, so you choose to send me across to various web sites
Yet your change did not come about progressively, it came suddenly.
The reason it came suddenly, is because you broke away from it due to a loss.

You started to question the ethical substance that brings man together, so you lost your faith.
In doing so, you sought other paths and finally concluded that our existence is based on a coincident universe (sorry....I have still not studied the links) and eventually came across this site.

So now we have come full circle .
I have never heard of an Asperger Syndrome, nut I have looked it up.

David B

Well, it looks that way to me





An old saw, a quote from someone who I forget 'the devil is in the detail'.

Not to be taken literally, you understand.

I gave you loads of cues that I once was led astray by false beliefs, you say I've lost my faith, claim a hit (despite saying, as quoted above, that that is not what you are about) on the grounds that I have lost my faith.

Well, Duh! I don't expect people on this board to take my posts as extraordinarily enlightening (especially as opposed to those on the boards who are in touch with scientific advances before they are announced to the world),


So you didn't look at the links I provided for you?

As you fail to have respond, let me take the point further:-
The thing that makes you different to these other jackals, is that you have a deep conscience. So you still retain an essence of ethic(which I suppose your pages will explain this)


[quote]You cannot lie to me, so you evade the question.[quote]

I don't like lies. What question are you suggesting I've evaded? And, OTOH, have you not been evading my simple request for evidence in support of any god(s) yourself.

In Christian mythology, there is a somwhat wise saying about motes and planks. But , I prefer to put things in my own terms, so I will say the pot calls the snowball black.

Point me to a question I haven't answered. I'll point you to one of mine you haven't. Provide one iota of evidence for a god. Why do you avoid it? No good answer?


Wrong. And wrong.

No - it was because in my younger days I found it hard to reconcile ethics with my then atheism, that I looked for paranormal answers. My bad. I do question your term 'ethical substance', though. if it is a substance, then what is its specific gravity, its specific heat, its colour...

If any sperm other than the one that fertilised your mothers egg had happened to get there first, then you would not exist, though someone else would exist in your place.



I think you have some symptoms of it. Not a classical case of it, though. This is not meant disparagingly. I have some symptoms of it myself, IMV.

David B (wondes if you ever pace around the room you are in)