TedM

aa says there are none. This wiki guy says there are.

Who is right?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justin_Martyr

MrMacSon

The onus is on the person asserting that to explain what those references might be and why.

TedM

Since this person isn't on the threads, that probably isn't going to happen.

This is a discussion forum. I thought someone here with more knowledge on the matter than I might be willing to confirm or deny the claim being made, and provide some discussion related to it.

MrMacSon

I acknowledge that particular wikipedia contributor/editor is unlikely to be here, but my point was people have an obligation to justify their assertions.

And, I acknowledge you are seeking discussion of/on that particular assertion.

outhouse

theres your first issue


and it looks like you found the correct answer already

stephan huller

I don't think they exist, but I am not an expert on Justin per se. There is an interesting parallel in the writings of Irenaeus where he mentions an anonymous sect related to the Marcionites who don't acknowledge the apostle Paul.

Toto

I don't think this conforms to wikipedia standards - there is no reference, no footnotes.

This site - The Development of the Canon of the New Testament - does not list any references to the epistles in Justin Martyr's work.

You can find various claims that Justin refers to the Pauline epistles, but there are no direct references, and most are vague, or puzzling, or involve Justin and Paul both referring to a passage from the Hebrew Scriptures.

tanya

:thumbs:

outhouse

St Justin Martyr’s Letter to the Pagan
Emperor Antoninus Pius (c. AD 155)

has direct refference to 1Corinthians 11: 26 - 29

vague not really since the oldest refference we have to the Eucharist is with paul.

Duvduv

How, pray tell, is that comment about the is a reference to 1 Corinthians 11 (especially when in the flow of the context in 1 Corinthians those verses themselves sound like interpolations)???

Apology of "Justin"
For we do not receive these things as if they were ordinary food and drink. But, just as Jesus Christ our Savior was made flesh through the word of God and took on flesh and blood for our salvation, so too (we have been taught) through the word of prayer that comes from him, the food over which the eucharist has been spoken becomes the flesh and blood of the incarnate Jesus, in order to nourish and transform our flesh and blood.

67, 3-5,7. On the day named after the sun, all who live in city or countryside assemble in the same place. The memoirs of the apostles or the writings of the prophets are read for as long as time allows. When the lector has finished, the president addresses us and exhorts us to imitate the splendid things we have heard. Then we all stand and pray. As we said earlier, when we have finished praying, bread, wine, and water are brought up. The president then prays and gives thanks according to his ability. And the people give their assent with an “Amen!”

1 Corinthians 11
23 For I received from the Lord what I also passed on to you: The Lord Jesus, on the night he was betrayed, took bread, 24 and when he had given thanks, he broke it and said, “This is my body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of me.” 25 In the same way, after supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood; do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me.” 26 For whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes.