outhouse

No kidding lol


unfortunatly brainwashing that deep is not going to be reversed by knowledge of any kind :frown:

James Brown

Not true. I was a YEC who learned my way out of it.

outhouse

Thats great, my hats off to you. but I think you said the key phrase "learned my way"

someone else cannot do this for you

Duke Leto

Actually, I completely agree with outhouse on this one.

Wayne Delia

"I bet one legend that keeps recurring throughout history, in every culture, is the story of Popeye." (Deep Thoughts, by Jack Handey)

Tommy

And if we did encounter one what could we say?

outhouse

I dont think there is anything, they refuse common knowledge, education and all science has to offer in favor of mythology.

brainwashing is hard to reverse.



If you find somone open to discussion, you can start with Israelites didnt exist prior to 1200 BC and at that point they were Canaanites with previous religions influences, including Meopotamian and Sumerian influences that have a core at the heart of most of the israelite religion, combined with the Canaanite influences.

Judaism doesnt have a original deity, they were all polytheistic and used previous deities that were all combined into monotheism after 622 BC

Tenorikuma

I'm fully aware that there are two flood stories. However, I'm convinced by the minimalists that Genesis is a very late work, and I can't think of any solid reference to the flood story in an early Old Testament book. Ezekiel mentions Noah, but who knows what oral traditions he had in mind. The Eden story of Genesis 2 to 3 is almost certainly dependent on Ezekiel 28, as John Van Seters has demonstrated.

And, of course, you can't demonstrate any literary evidence for Genesis prior to the Dead Sea Scrolls – and even there, half the book is not attested among any of the 27 or so copies found at Qumran.

Berossus may be later than the Genesis story, but it's not much later. John Day has an excellent article on it.

outhouse

there is nothing with credibility that dates geneis in any part past the 5th and 6th centuries. P was the last redaction/compilation with Ezra being named as the final redactor/author

the material ALL reflects, the Persian imperial authorisation in which they wanted them to all become unified as a whole and not have sects fighting each other.

outhouse

the man makes the mistake of thinking J was a single author, its not the case.

J is a compilation, not a author.

he deals with the Mesopotamian origins of some of these early legends, which would be correct.

there is no way the mesopotamian legends are dependant on Ezekiel and there is no reason not to believe Israel didnt adopt or were influenced by them. Ezekiel was not the only game in town for the collectors to write from.

Not only that we know there were early collections with genesis 2 being earlier then Ezekiel


Also you would have to explain why the absense of connection in Ezekiel and the creation account of P is so striking. even the narritive flow is way off.