aa5874

Your claim is erroneous.

In short gMark, Jesus did NOT tell the rich man to have faith.

The Jesus character in the short gMark told the rich man:

1. Thou shalt not commit adultery,

2. Thou shalt not kill,

3. Thou shalt not steal,

4. Thou shalt not bear false testimony.

5. Thou shalt not defraud,

6. Honor thy father and thy mother.

7. Sell whatever thou hast, and give to the poor.

In the short gMark 9, the Jesus character claimed those who did not follow him could still recieve their reward if they gave even a cup of water in his name.

Again, an Essene would qualify for Eternal Life based on the short gMark.

It is claimed the Essenes obeyed the commandments and gave to those who had nothing. See Antiquities of the Jews 18.

The short gMark is not about Remission of Sins by Sacrifice and Resurrection as found in the Later Gospels and the Pauline letters.

The short gMark was composed sometime after the writings of Josephus c 115 CE -133 CE based on the preponderance of evidence.

jdboy

Again according to Jesus they did not have to qualify. They didn't have to sell they didn't have to give because NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR GOD>GOD could save the RICH.

Again they didn't have to sell and give to the poor. simply do what you can
New King James Version (NKJV)
The Anointing at Bethany

3 And being in Bethany at the house of Simon the leper, as He sat at the table, a woman came having an alabaster flask of very costly oil of spikenard. Then she broke the flask and poured it on His head. 4 But there were some who were indignant among themselves, and said, “Why was this fragrant oil wasted? 5 For it might have been sold for more than three hundred denarii and given to the poor.” And they criticized her sharply.

6 But Jesus said, “Let her alone. Why do you trouble her? She has done a good work for Me. 7 For you have the poor with you always, and whenever you wish you may do them good; but Me you do not have always. 8 She has done what she could. She has come beforehand to anoint My body for burial. 9 Assuredly, I say to you, wherever this gospel is preached in the whole world, what this woman has done will also be told as a memorial to her.”

aa5874

In the writings of Josephus the author mentioned by name three main sects of Jews. See Wars of the Jews 2 and Antiquities of the Jews 18.

1. Pharisees.

2. Sadducees.

3. The Essenes.

In the NT Only the Pharisees and Sadducees are also mentioned by name.

However, Jesus the Son of God, born of a Ghost, was always in conflict and arguments with the Pharisees and Sadducees. It is claimed that the Pharisees wanted to Destroy Jesus and that the Sadducees did not accept the Resurrection.

Mark 3.Mark 12The Sadducees and Pharisees were against the teachings of the NT Jesus.

Now, in Acts, it is claimed the Jesus cult was started on the day of Pentecost when the disciples got Power from a Ghost like a mighty rushing wind.

In Acts, the Jesus cult was similar to the Essenes sect as described by Philo and Josephus.

The Essenes did practice Ritual Bathing and lived together while sharing with one another.


The supposed New Jesus cult practiced Ritual Bathing called Baptism, Lived together, and those with possessions or wealth must sell and give their money to the Cult.

1. Acts of the Apostles 22. Acts of the Apostles 23. Acts of the Apostles 4 The supposed NEW Jesus cult in Acts were like the Essenes.

In Acts 5, two members of the supposed NEW Jesus cult died suddenly when they held back part of the money they received after selling their possession.

See Acts 5, Ananias and his wife Sapphira were both dead within three hours after lying about the price of the land which they sold.

It is clear that the NEW Jesus cult in Acts was based on the practices of the Essenes in the writings of Philo and Josephus.

The Preponderance of evidence suggest that the Entire NT Canon was composed After the writings of Josephus or in the 2nd century.

Duvduv

Considering that the writings of Philo and Josephus were in the hands of the church (and NOT any Jewish sources) it would not at all be surprising that Acts could rely on what was found in writings attributed to one Pharisaic Jewish Philo or Josephus, neither of whom are ever mentioned in a single traditional Talmudic or midrashic text.

And EVEN if there were writings attributed to such names, it is more than likely that the texts were altered to introduce a variety of materials hinting at Christian ideas or the existence of Christians or their ideas in the first century.

Furthermore, no Talmudic or midrashic texts make any mention of the Essenes or identify four groups as representing the vast majority of Jews (i.e. Pharisees, Saduccees, Essenes and Zealots) as opposed to assorted sects.

Much of what is in Josephus (and even Philo) is total unsupported bunk.

Therefore, a similarity of ideas in Acts and Philo/Josephus in the hands of the Constantinian "caliphate" (hint, hint) makes abundant sense.

aa5874

Josephus, Philo, Talmudic and midrashic texts were in the hands of the Church??? Only Josephus and Philo???

Christians introduced ideas in Philo, Josephus, Talmudic and midrashic texts?? Ony Josephus and Philo??

Talmudic or midrashic texts may have been altered by the Church.
You must mean Much of what is in Josephus (and even Philo) and Talmudic or midraschic text is total unsupported bunk??

jdboy

I fart in the general direction of your Essene Jesus.

If Jesus were Essene he would have condemned the rich man. A Zealot Essene would have slaughtered him on the spot.
Instead he tells him that it won't be easy but with the God of Jesus nothing was impossible.
Again Jesus did not exhibit behavior that was Exclusive to the Essenses.
Jesus ran around with the tax collectors got drunk handled coins enjoyed the company of women oils perfumes hung out with lepers healed on the sabbath.
Essenes taught hate your enemies Jesus taught love your enemies.

Jesus was not Essene

jdboy

Another point, the Essenes were noted for Prophecy. Josephus tells us that all good fortune
and God had gone over to the Romans. The Essenes could not accurately see into the future.That their own actions would bring on the destruction of Jerusalem. Unlike the Essenes Jesus did accurately predict the destruction. Jesus was not Essene

Jesus was the personification of Rome's good fortune and that God was on their side. The kingdom of heaven was with Rome

Duvduv

Aa, the Talmud was not in the hands of the church, but Philo and Josephus or parts of them were.
Or possibly written under the Church.
The Talmud mentions nothing of Essenes or other stories in those writings such as Massada or James, the Baptist, etc.

aa5874

I did not ever claim Jesus was an Essene. You are making stuff up. Jesus in the Canon was the Son of a Ghost and was born after his mother was made Pregnant by one of them.

The NT is a compilation of Myth Fables composed in the 2nd century or later.

aa5874

Your claim about the Talmud not being in the hands of the church cannot be shown to be true. You are guessing.