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Old 12-12-2005, 12:31 AM   #1
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Default Giving up God is really really sad?

You know the more I think of it the more it seems giving up the concept of God is really really sad.

It seems to me the most brilliant idea ever conceived by Humanity.

Could God have put God in into man's head all those years ago into every human society?

Let me explain. From my observations so far; based on state of the art discoveries by science; based on the rules science have limited itself with...

Certainly when God was conceived or implanted into the human brain; there was no way anybody could have forseen Evolution.

Yet; matter>protein>......>hominids>intervention by God> man; seems for now the most logical.

We have the bones of dinosaurs and yet the missing link which is so much more recent cannot be found.

The Theory of Everything. It seems to me, pardon my french; somebody is fucking with us. Let humanity go so far and then hahaha; how's this for size?

If you were to make any exceptions; not that you have to or want to; only when you you make the exception for "God" does it seem reasonable.

If we accept that Falsifiability itself is not an internally limited concept.

Falsifiability: True for every case and if you want to make an exception; matters regarding God would qualify if not automatically; at least reasonably -

All atoms in the whole universe are part of God (not Falsifiable.)
Like man is made of atoms; man is sentient (not Falsifiable.)
You and your cat are one sentient being (not Falsifiable.)
All atoms in the universe and All sentient beings make up God (not Falsifiable.)

If the whole world accepts this : World Peace.

OK Shoot me.
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Wow, your post reads like poetry. (I mean that in a bad way).

Who says you have to give up the idea of God? I agree, some of the attributes you might currently attach to him (omnimax or some part of omnimaxness), or certain miracles you might attribute to him, are possibly pretty doubtful. But the idea of God is infinitely malleable. Modify, and believe on.
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Old 12-12-2005, 12:47 AM   #3
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Wow, your post reads like poetry. (I mean that in a bad way).

Who says you have to give up the idea of God? I agree, some of the attributes you might currently attach to him (omnimax or some part of omnimaxness), or certain miracles you might attribute to him, are possibly pretty doubtful. But the idea of God is infinitely malleable. Modify, and believe on.
Isn't it amazing?

"infinitely malleable;"

another one for the books
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If you do not give up the idea of God, then? This is a serious question.
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Old 12-12-2005, 12:51 AM   #5
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Could God have put God in into man's head all those years ago into every human society?
But there are societies which have no concept of Gods. Most notably some tribe in the east Govi Basin in Mongolia.

Dawkins: “Nearly all peoples have developed their own creation myth, and the Genesis story is just the one that happened to have been adopted by one particular tribe of Middle Eastern herders. It has no more special status than the belief of a particular West African tribe that the world was created from the excrement of ants.�? [The Blind Watchmaker, Oxford University Press (1988), p316]

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Yet; matter>protein>......>hominids>intervention by God> man; seems for now the most logical.
A lovely assertion. Care to back it up with a logical argument?

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We have the bones of dinosaurs and yet the missing link which is so much more recent cannot be found.
Every fossil is a "missing link."
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Old 12-12-2005, 12:54 AM   #6
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Dawkins: “Nearly all peoples have developed their own creation myth, and the Genesis story is just the one that happened to have been adopted by one particular tribe of Middle Eastern herders. It has no more special status than the belief of a particular West African tribe that the world was created from the excrement of ants.�? [The Blind Watchmaker, Oxford University Press (1988), p316]
Hey if every atom is God then excrement of ants qualify!
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You have done nothing to show that this is so, however.
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Old 12-12-2005, 03:14 AM   #8
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You have done nothing to show that this is so, however.
Neither has science shown us where the missing link is and what the Theory of Everything is.

I like rickyroma.

To him; Science is not absolute; it just happens to be the best of the alternatives.

When you include personal experiences with God;

God then becomes the one realm science cannot touch.
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Neither has science shown us where the missing link is and what the Theory of Everything is.
The missing link nonsense is a blatant statement of your lack of knowledge. We have plenty of "missing links". We have them with dinosaurs (archeopetryx and such) and with "transitional" fossils http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-transitional.html
even though all fossils are transitional.

Also, the intervention by God insertion is not the most logical. Violates ocham's razor AND has no support via evidence at al.
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When you include personal experiences with God;

God then becomes the one realm science cannot touch.
Sadly, incorrect. We can study and induce these "experiences" using psychology and have showed them for what they are. Reactions of a brain "tricking" the individual due to a set of observable, repeatable psychological phenomona accompanied by certain neurological effects. Science CAN tuch those experiences. It has. Inserting God and claiming that you can't test it shows a lack of knowledge. Not anyone's fault, but simply factually in error.
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Neither has science shown us where the missing link is and what the Theory of Everything is.

I like rickyroma.

To him; Science is not absolute; it just happens to be the best of the alternatives.

When you include personal experiences with God;

God then becomes the one realm science cannot touch.
Hmm. What about the idea that personal experiences with ghosts, allegedly holy or otherwise, is within the realm of psychology?

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