Doug Shaver

To what evidence are you referring?

spin

I'm waiting for a hint of perception from you. It's been a long unfullfilling experience. We know what you will say and why. Denial because of your prior commitments and they have nothing to do with attempting to discover how things really were.

True.

But as evidence is not a field in which you've ever ploughed, I can't expect you'll have much knowledge of it except secondhand filtered through others' acceptable apologetics.

Hmmm, plausibility. Also important in a good novel.

So, not only shoot at your target but also your audience. You'll be the last fellow standing, talking to no-one. You need to build a relationship with your audience, if you are interested in communication, rather than alienate them.

There is a real world out there. You might want to investigate beyond the monastic walls.

This begs the purpose of why Steven Avery is here at a freethought forum insulting whoever he is talking to. What people do here he claims is posing, game playing, based on ignorance.

What grounds does he offer for his judgments? :huh:


spin

spin

Perhaps you have some theory as to the way the texts were put together that doesn't imply accretion.

(And of course you didn't look at the example I posted for you, because it's "too tedious" for you to research.)


spin

angelo

Not the three, but a fair few. Dionysus-Osiris. This god was known by many different names. In Eygpt he was know as Osiris, in Greece Dionysus, in Asia minor Attis, in Syria Adonis, in Italy Bacchus, in Persia Mithras. All are the same god worshipped by different peoples.
We know all are myths, why is not christianity in the same basket?

gurugeorge

Actually that's an interesting point - was this the "same" god, known by different names, or just different gods based on the same underlying idea/l of a god? The "dying/rising" mytheme seems to be agricultural, and connected with the Mysteries. I think that's about all we can say for certain. (We might be able to say "same god" if Acharya S.'s conjecture of a kind of peripatetic shadow-priesthood that had members in all the known lands of the time, is correct. That's a fiendishly interesting angle, especially when combined with the flashes of astrotheology glimmering throughout these myths, because it seems to point to more archaic times, perhaps to Neolithic religious organisation, and beyond.)

Freke & Gandy's idea that Christianity was an attempt at exotericisation of the Mysteries, using the only myth to hand in Judaism that was in any way comparable to the kind of localised dying/rising god of other cultures, is extremely plausible - if not conclusive regarding the origins of Christianity, certainly plausible wrt later developments in the myth and its accretion of more universal Graeco-Roman mythological elements. (i.e. the idea fits too well with the final Christ myth to be coincidence, but it could still have applied to a real man later mythologised and used in this way).

sschlichter

no, I am going to. I have not received any examples from you personally and would not assume a goose chase. I learn from experience who is looking for truth and who is avoiding it. you are in the not sure column.

spin

If you like I'll cut it and paste it just for your benefit. It's a thread I started analyzing 1 Cor 11 and the institution of the eucharist here, but if you can't press the link, perhaps it's not a matter of digital inability.

If it's truth you're looking for, you should be in a religion. That's what usually deals with truth and there's lots there. I'd prefer to stick with eking out a little more understanding. If you want truths from me, forget it.


spin

avi

Yes, what evidence do you have that the portion of the Quran not eaten by the goat is "accurate", i.e. authentic?
here's a link

sschlichter

my intent was to avoid tangent by getting jumped on for suggesting the koran is not authentic. I did not mean to project a pro-authentic stance. my apologies.

sschlichter

doesn't understanding require truth? or do you not care if you have an accurate understanding?