TySixtus

Show me your math, then. I'm interested in seeing it.

Ty

CX

Logic would tell me that there were no stories circulating about Jesus' life before his ministry so during the period the Gospels were written somebody made some stories up.

CX

The word in GJn 19:34 is ENUXEN. It's an inflected form of the verb NUSSO which means to stab, prick or pierce. Coupled with the description of blood and water pouring out it is clear the author intended to convey the notion of Jesus being stabbed with the spear. This is the only use of this word in the entire NT so it's difficult to say with any certainty, but the reasonable conclusion is that the author did, in fact, mean "pierce".

fallingblood

I still think its wrong. I mean if you are stabbed, blood might flow, but not water.

Mark 15:25- It was the thrid hour when they crucified him.
Mark 15:35-37 And at the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?- which means, "My God, my God, why have you frosake me?" ONe man ran, filled a sponge with wine vinegar, put it on on a stick and offereed ti to Jesus to drink. "Now leave him alone. Let's see if Elijah comes to take him down," he said. With a loud cry, Jesus breathed his last.
9-3=6

Isn't it weird though that he would die after drinking the "vinegar". This could prove that the vinegar was mixed with opium.

dado

heroin/opium doesn't work that way. you'd be lucky to get a buzz sucking on a acidic sponge like that, for the effect you're talking about you have to mainline. even smoking it won't deliver enough potency.

River

While I understand how you feel. I am more concerned about methodology. How were Mark , Luke, Matthew, John ( and 66 books) selected for inclusion in the NT? How were they canonized? This still doesn't resolve where the missing "18 " years of Jesus Christ (pbuh)'s life went ?


----River

River

Fallingblood's got a point. Historically speaking, why would water flow out?.....unless we are claiming something miraculous here. However, for analytical purposes, it is best to look at things from a historical or scientific perspective.

---River

Toto

Formation of the New Testament Canon

Read it and then we can talk.

River

Thanks. I am definately going to read this ...some time today....


---River

Magdlyn

They didn't "go" anywhere. He never existed. He didn't have a childhood and young adulthood. All that mattered to Paul was his death and resurrection and humanity's opportunity to die and resurrect with him.

Paul's letters were too hard for the common man to understand, so the evangleists came up gradually with the fleshed-out narrative. Mark supplied the baptism. Matt and Luke added geneologies and a birth. John came up with the backstory going back to the creation. It was a gradual creative process. The Robt Price article I linked showed just how far people's imaginations wandered, adding the stories of his naughty childhood as well. (They also came up with the story of his mother's childhood, being born also supernaturally, and being sent to the Temple after weaning to be raised by priests and angels. Didn't think priests were in the habit of raising 3 yr old girls in the Holy Temple back then? Think again. LOL)