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Old 11-28-2009, 04:30 PM   #51
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Not clear? He grew up in Syria, speaking the language and living the lifestyle of a people that hasn't changed significantly in 2000 years.
Speaking which languge ?
Aramaic. The language The Peshitta was written in, the language Jesus spoke.

Take a look around the Middle East... there are groups of people that STILL live the way they did 2000 years ago. And 50 years ago when Lamsa was writing it was even more so.
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If you want to know where the ideas of hell, the trinity, virgin birth and all that other mythological nonsense came from, you look to Romans, not the Jews.

If you want to know where the idea of a god having a son comes from....
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They will happily tell you that the Jesus thing is all wrong.

Unlike the genesis of human beings there is no workable "out of Jerusalem" theory for disparate books written in Greek by unknown authors at unknown times written for unknown audiences.
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Julio wrote: "It's not something you see every day."

True. Or, for that matter, any day of any year of any millennium.

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Not there to puff him up? They make this son of a carpenter into GOD.
Surely you don't think the actual Jesus (if there was one) was actually the son of a carpenter!?
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Speaking which languge ?
Aramaic. The language The Peshitta was written in, the language Jesus spoke.

Take a look around the Middle East... there are groups of people that STILL live the way they did 2000 years ago. And 50 years ago when Lamsa was writing it was even more so.
In which regions of Syria, is Aramaic spoken today ? Wiki mentions three villages and some bilinguals in Damascus.

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Not there to puff him up? They make this son of a carpenter into GOD.
Surely you don't think the actual Jesus (if there was one) was actually the son of a carpenter!?
Why not? Is being the son of a farmer more likely? (he would have had to been a land owner...)
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Take a look around the Middle East... there are groups of people that STILL live the way they did 2000 years ago. And 50 years ago when Lamsa was writing it was even more so.
In which regions of Syria, is Aramaic spoken today ?
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Today? Lamsa died 40 years ago.
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If you want to know where the ideas of hell, the trinity, virgin birth and all that other mythological nonsense came from, you look to Romans, not the Jews.

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They will happily tell you that the Jesus thing is all wrong.

Unlike the genesis of human beings there is no workable "out of Jerusalem" theory for disparate books written in Greek by unknown authors at unknown times written for unknown audiences.
I'm wicha!!!!
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Surely you don't think the actual Jesus (if there was one) was actually the son of a carpenter!?
Why not? Is being the son of a farmer more likely? (he would have had to been a land owner...)
If there was a Jesus, maybe he was a carpenter or a farmer or the son of a high priest even, but none of these are the reason he is portrayed as a begetter (carpenter is a possible translation, but tekton is much more generic than that).

His profession is rooted in theology, not history.
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Why a landowner?

I'd estimate that almost all farmers in the Roman world of that period were tenant farmers, and had no actual ownership rights to the land they tilled, even in Judea.

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